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Post by DBowling » Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:45 pm

Fliegender wrote:
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I managed to totally dodge any side effects associated from my first covid shot, but my wife was not quite as fortunate as I was.
Last night she got a headache and became nauseas. (and yes... I do think that was from the covid shot)

I gave her acetaminophen for the headache (which is ok for treating vaccine side effects) and gave her fluids until she finally fell asleep. At around midnight her immune system calmed down and the side affects went away.
My wife is back to her normal self this morning. :)

This part of getting vaccinated was no fun at all.
But it did prepare us for what to watch out for when we get our second shots in early April.
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The side-effects to the Pfizer vaccine your wife experienced were the same symptoms I had when I got Covid-19 (except I was ill for 4 days) . I have yet to be vaccinated but my turn will come within the next two weeks. My wife was also ill with a Covid 19 but she had it worse than I did: shortness of breath, fever, aches and so on, as well as two one-day hospital stays. She got the Pfizer vaccine two weeks ago and had no side effects whatsoever. (Although she did make sauerkraut for dinner once.)
No offense... but I'll gladly take 6 hours of covid vaccine side effects over what you and your wife went through actually contracting the virus. And if either my wife or I caught the virus, I'm guessing it would end up being even worse for us.

We're almost there... we just need to hold out a little longer. :)
Don’t anticipate your wife will have any side effects as she will have developed antibodies by the time she gets her second shot. The most common side effect remains a sore arm...(and maybe a passing taste for schnapps).
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Don’t anticipate your wife will have any side effects as she will have developed antibodies by the time she gets her second shot. The most common side effect remains a sore arm...(and maybe a passing taste for schnapps).

Seriously, a simple google search will show that the 2nd dose of these vaccines is more likely to bring worse side effects, than the first.
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Post by RickD » Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:27 pm

DBowling wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:04 pm
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We are both looking forward to the end of April when we will both be safe from Covid and life can begin to return to something resembling normal for us.
Are you old or/and have preexisting conditions that you think would cause you greater harm if you got Covid?
My wife and I are both in mid to upper 50s with preexisting conditions.
My wife is the youngest of six, and her oldest brother(61), has some health issues. He’s pretty much the only person wearing a mask at family get togethers. Last summer, he was wearing a mask everywhere, and always keeping his distance from everyone else. Then we found out he has some health issues he’s worried about.

Again, I hope you and your wife make it through this safely, and you can start to feel as normal as possible.
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Don’t anticipate your wife will have any side effects as she will have developed antibodies by the time she gets her second shot. The most common side effect remains a sore arm...(and maybe a passing taste for schnapps).

Seriously, a simple google search will show that the 2nd dose of these vaccines is more likely to bring worse side effects, than the first.
I’m going by the anecdotal evidence of what has been found here with people who have had the second dose. Essentially, the main side effect is a sore arm which likely has more to do with the vaccinator’s technique than to the vaccine itself. As for “a simple google search will show that the 2nd dose...is more likely to bring worse side effects” well...you can find anything to back up any angle on the web. What’s really important is immunity from Covid19. If you have a burning desire to participate in Oktoberfest after the vaccine, that’s a small price to pay for peace of mind.
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Post by RickD » Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:12 am

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What’s really important is immunity from Covid19.
Honesty, and not sugar coating the vaccine is a little important too.

Enough with the red herrings, and misinformation.
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Post by Fliegender » Sun Mar 21, 2021 2:58 pm

RickD wrote:
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What’s really important is immunity from Covid19.
Honesty, and not sugar coating the vaccine is a little important too.

Enough with the red herrings, and misinformation.
You’re just fear mongering. I just asked my wife point-blank if the side effects of the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine are worse than those of the first. She said no and “Where did you hear that?” So I told her it was on this American site.
She laughed and rolled her eyes.

That’s partly what I meant when I spoke of the “cultural component” in you fear/distrust of this vaccine. America is such a litigious society that the manufacturers - I suspect - tell you side effects will be worse on the second dose to protect themselves from litigation. The experience here is the exact opposite insofar as the second dose is concerned. The exact opposite. People are people wherever they live so an international border can’t be responsible for one group having “much worse side effects” and another group just across the border having “little side effects”. Something else is going on. Probably culture, procedures and laws are responsible for the difference.

For the record, my wife has performed three tasks during this vaccination campaign:

1. Dilution: the Pfizer/ vaccine arrives in a concentrated form and must be diluted with a saline solution. Once that’s done, the syringes are prepared by the person doing the dilution. The syringes are then sent to those who do the vaccination.

2. Evaluation: each person receiving this vaccination must answer a series of questions about their health. If they pass this station, they are sent to be vaccinated.

3. Vaccination: the person is vaccinated and must wait 20 minutes before leaving.

Everyone’s name is recorded. Healthcare workers spend their time taking meticulous notes on when the concentrated vaccine is removed from the freezer, what temperature it was, who did the dilution and prepared each syringe, who interviewed which patient, who vaccinated each patient at what time, and the hour the patient left the vaccination center.
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Post by RickD » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:17 pm

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You’re just fear mongering.
You’ve got to be kidding. You’re seriously not this obtuse.
You’re promoting a vaccine for a virus that you have to be tested to find out that you’ve even had it. A virus that has over a 99% recovery rate. And I’m the one fear mongering?
I just asked my wife point-blank if the side effects of the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine are worse than those of the first.
So, your wife’s experience represents the majority?

Are you going senile like your idol Biden?
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RickD wrote:
Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:17 pm
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You’re just fear mongering.
You’ve got to be kidding. You’re seriously not this obtuse.
You’re promoting a vaccine for a virus that you have to be tested to find out that you’ve even had it. A virus that has over a 99% recovery rate. And I’m the one fear mongering?
I just asked my wife point-blank if the side effects of the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine are worse than those of the first.
So, your wife’s experience represents the majority?

Are you going senile like your idol Biden?
Yes, you are fear mongering. This is a typical of anti-vaxxers. I’ve often heard that anti-vaxxers claim the vaccination campaign and the wearing of masks are robbing people of freedom. Absolute nonsense! I don’t take any of this seriously but I understand that it’s very serious for the people promoting these views.
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Fliegender wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:01 am
RickD wrote:
Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:17 pm
Pot Calling the Kettle Black Wrote:
You’re just fear mongering.
You’ve got to be kidding. You’re seriously not this obtuse.
You’re promoting a vaccine for a virus that you have to be tested to find out that you’ve even had it. A virus that has over a 99% recovery rate. And I’m the one fear mongering?
I just asked my wife point-blank if the side effects of the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine are worse than those of the first.
So, your wife’s experience represents the majority?

Are you going senile like your idol Biden?
Yes, you are fear mongering. This is a typical of anti-vaxxers. I’ve often heard that anti-vaxxers claim the vaccination campaign and the wearing of masks are robbing people of freedom. Absolute nonsense! I don’t take any of this seriously but I understand that it’s very serious for the people promoting these views.
FL,

That’s pathetic. You now label me as an anti-vaxxer, and also erroneously claim that I hold the position that masks Rob people of their freedom.

Two false accusations against me.

Philip,

How about a tirade against Fl for making baseless, false accusations.
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Post by DBowling » Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:09 am

Personal experience is important and significantly impacts the perspective of all of us.
However, in a situation that is as wide spread as the Covid-19 worldwide pandemic, our experiences need to be understood within the larger context of nation wide and world wide data.

Each of us have different comfort levels regarding any number of life situations, but when the Covid virus and the Covid vaccine are so intertwined it is important for documentation, data and consistency to guide our personal perspectives.

For example:
If a person is unconcerned about the the Covid-19 virus because the survival rate is so high (around 98%-99%).
Then that person should have no fear at all regarding the Covid vaccine whose survival rate is orders of magnitude safer than the Covid virus which doesn't concern them.

If a person in unconcerned about the physical effect that the Covid-19 virus has on the body over the days and weeks of the illness.
Then that person should have no fear regarding side effects of the covid vaccine that may last for hours.

If a person is unconcerned about the known long term effects of the Covid-19 virus.
Then that person should have no fear of speculative long term effects of the the covid vaccine


On the other hand:
If a person is genuinely concerned about the death rate of the covid vaccine.
Then that person should also be orders of magnitude more concerned about the covid virus which has contributed to over half a million more deaths in the US than the vaccine.

If a person is genuinely concerned about potential side effects of the vaccine for a few hours.
Then that person should be even more concerned about the effect that the Covid-19 virus has on the body for days, weeks, and sometimes longer.

If a person is genuinely concerned about speculative unknown long term effects of the covid vaccine.
Then that person should be much more concerned about the long term effects of the Covid-19 virus that we are discovering.

Bottom line:
There is not a single documented metric that shows the Covid vaccine to be more deadly or harmful than the Covid virus itself.
All the current data shows that the covid vaccine is not only safer, but orders of magnitude safer than the Covid-19 virus.

And there is one more incredibly important difference between the covid virus and the covid vaccine that makes all the difference in the world.
The Covid vaccine effectively prevents people from contracting the Covid-19 virus and SAVES human lives.
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DB wrote:
Personal experience is important and significantly impacts the perspective of all of us.
However, in a situation that is as wide spread as the Covid-19 worldwide pandemic, our experiences need to be understood within the larger context of nation wide and world wide data.
I agree. And since there’s no long term safety data on the vaccines...
Each of us have different comfort levels regarding any number of life situations, but when the Covid virus and the Covid vaccine are so intertwined it is important for documentation, data and consistency to guide our personal perspectives.
As long as the data is accurate, I agree.
For example:
If a person is unconcerned about the the Covid-19 virus because the survival rate is so high (around 98%-99%).
Then that person should have no fear at all regarding the Covid vaccine whose survival rate is orders of magnitude safer than the Covid virus which doesn't concern them.
If the person’s only concern is the death rate of each, then I’d most likely agree.
If a person in unconcerned about the physical effect that the Covid-19 virus has on the body over the days and weeks of the illness.
Then that person should have no fear regarding side effects of the covid vaccine that may last for hours.
Couldn’t disagree more. There is no long term safety data on the vaccines. This would be my main issue personally, if I didn’t have the antibodies to COVID-19.
If a person is unconcerned about the known long term effects of the Covid-19 virus.
Then that person should have no fear of speculative long term effects of the the covid vaccine
Logic does not follow. Speaking from my personal experience, I had zero symptoms. I was asymptomatic. While I don’t have “fear” of the long term effects of the vaccine, because I have no intention of getting the vaccine, I have concerns for others who may decide do be vaccinated.
On the other hand:
If a person is genuinely concerned about the death rate of the covid vaccine.
Then that person should also be orders of magnitude more concerned about the covid virus which has contributed to over half a million more deaths in the US than the vaccine.
Maybe, depending on the person’s age and underlying conditions. Someone under 70 and healthy, who has virtually 0% chance of dying from the virus, may be concerned about getting the vaccine.
If a person is genuinely concerned about potential side effects of the vaccine for a few hours.
Then that person should be even more concerned about the effect that the Covid-19 virus has on the body for days, weeks, and sometimes longer.
Again, that depends on the age and health of the individual. And of course we’re not talking about someone who has already built a natural immunity to the virus.
If a person is genuinely concerned about speculative unknown long term effects of the covid vaccine.
Then that person should be much more concerned about the long term effects of the Covid-19 virus that we are discovering.
At risk of beating a dead horse, age and health. And of course if one has natural immunity.
Bottom line:
There is not a single documented metric that shows the Covid vaccine to be more deadly or harmful than the Covid virus itself.
All the current data shows that the covid vaccine is not only safer, but orders of magnitude safer than the Covid-19 virus.
Irrelevant because it’s too early. The effects of the virus have been here much longer than the effects of the much more recent vaccines.
And there is one more incredibly important difference between the covid virus and the covid vaccine that makes all the difference in the world.
The Covid vaccine effectively prevents people from contracting the Covid-19 virus and SAVES human lives.
Nope. Not according to the cdc. They say the mRNA “vaccines” are supposed to prevent the vaccinated from getting sick, not prevent them from contracting the virus. And you forgot to mention the fact that those already exposed to the virus, have natural immunity.

Seems like a lot of your beliefs are based on false information. Maybe your fears would be lessened if you stuck to the facts.
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FL,

That’s pathetic. You now label me as an anti-vaxxer, and also erroneously claim that I hold the position that masks Rob people of their freedom.

Two false accusations against me.

Philip,

How about a tirade against Fl for making baseless, false accusations.
Good gawd, now you’re being ridiculous! Scroll up and read my post again. I never said you were one of the crazies who think the vaccination campaign and mandatory mask wearing are depriving people of freedom.

You’re just an anti-vaxxer insofar as you believe the vaccine is untested, proven dangerous and you actively promote these false assertions. That’s all. On a continuum of anti-vaxxers between “worried” and “certified nut jobs” I would put you closer to the “worried” end of the spectrum.
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Post by RickD » Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:06 pm

FL wrote:
You’re just an anti-vaxxer insofar as you believe the vaccine is untested, proven dangerous and you actively promote these false assertions.
Thanks for making wrong accusations AGAIN!
I never claimed the vaccine is untested. I specifically said there’s no LONG TERM safety data. And I just refuted the “Safe and Effective” claim, because BY DEFINITION, something that causes harm cannot be safe. The proof that people have died from the vaccine, MEANS THE VACCINE IS NOT SAFE! It’s simple logic, which you don’t want to acknowledge.
Good gawd, now you’re being ridiculous! Scroll up and read my post again. I never said you were one of the crazies who think the vaccination campaign and mandatory mask wearing are depriving people of freedom.
Here’s your post again:
Yes, you are fear mongering. This is a typical of anti-vaxxers. I’ve often heard that anti-vaxxers claim the vaccination campaign and the wearing of masks are robbing people of freedom. Absolute nonsense! I don’t take any of this seriously but I understand that it’s very serious for the people promoting these views.
You’ve already acknowledged that you think I’m an anti-vaxxer. And then you list things that anti-vaxxers “often claim”.

Why even mention things in the same paragraph, if I’m not associated with those beliefs?



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FL wrote:
You’re just an anti-vaxxer insofar as you believe the vaccine is untested, proven dangerous and you actively promote these false assertions. That’s all. On a continuum of anti-vaxxers between “worried” and “certified nut jobs” I would put you closer to the “worried” end of the spectrum.
That’s wrong again. Even after I’ve said multiple times that I’m not worried about the vaccine, because I have no intention of getting vaccinated. That’s like me saying you’re worried about getting aids from anal sex. It’s inaccurate.
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RickD wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 2:06 pm
FL wrote:
You’re just an anti-vaxxer insofar as you believe the vaccine is untested, proven dangerous and you actively promote these false assertions.
Thanks for making wrong accusations AGAIN!
I never claimed the vaccine is untested. I specifically said there’s no LONG TERM safety data. And I just refuted the “Safe and Effective” claim, because BY DEFINITION, something that causes harm cannot be safe. The proof that people have died from the vaccine, MEANS THE VACCINE IS NOT SAFE! It’s simple logic, which you don’t want to acknowledge...

bla bla bla...
You’re making a very big deal out of this. Here is what I think, distilled down to it’s essence:

1. You believe the Covid19 vaccine is dangerous.
2. You believe the illness caused by Covid19 isn’t dangerous for most people.

You’re a covid19 anti-vaxxer because of #1 above.

We are not that far apart because,

1. I don’t believe the vaccine is dangerous.
2. I believe the illness caused by Covid19 isn’t dangerous for most people.

This is the biggest problem: the illness caused by Covid19 is sufficiently serious to have tied up hospital beds around the world. This in turn has led to overworked medical staff with all that implies for the treatment of other problems people go to a hospital for. The illness has also hastened the deaths of the frail and the very old.

In intend to get vaccinated only as a formality to facilitate my entering a foreign country. If I weren’t a regular traveller, I wouldn’t get vaccinated either. Even Prophet Trump (pbuh) has recommended the vaccine for his disciples so what’s the problem?
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FL wrote:
You’re making a very big deal out of this. Here is what I think, distilled down to it’s essence:
I’m making a big deal because you keep misrepresenting me!
1. You believe the Covid19 vaccine is dangerous.
2. You believe the illness caused by Covid19 isn’t dangerous for most people.

You’re a covid19 anti-vaxxer because of #1 above.
No!!! Stop misrepresenting me! Words have meanings! Dangerous means: likely to cause harm or injury.
I never said the Covid vaccines are likely to cause harm or injury. “Likely” being the key word. At least in the short term, the Covid vaccines are less likely to cause harm, than to cause harm. Just like Covid-19 is less likely to cause harm, than to cause harm. But that doesn’t mean the vaccines or the virus are safe.

Words have meanings.

The majority of people who get the vaccines, will probably not be injured or harmed. The majority of people who contract Covid-19 will probably not be injured or harmed.

But that doesn’t mean the vaccines and virus are safe.

The lack of long term safety data, is a big question mark for people who have a choice whether or not to get these vaccines. Many people do not want to play Russian roulette with a needle. Most of the people who feel this way that I’ve talked to in my hospital, including myself, have gotten the yearly flu shot. Yet you call us anti-vaxxers. That’s wrong!
Even Prophet Trump (pbuh) has recommended the vaccine for his disciples so what’s the problem?
Seriously? I’ve already told you multiple times!

Does “Prophet Trump” have some long term safety data on the vaccines that I’m not aware of? Is the fact that Trump recommends the vaccines supposed to change the fact that nobody knows the long term effects of these mRNA vaccines?
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