I've heard all of the spin coming out of the MSM concerning the Mueller report who lied and told us the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians and the Mueller team was going to prove it and Trump would be impeached. So how you can continue to believe people who got everything wrong is mind boggling.Mueller not only had the power to look into Russia collusion but he also had powers to look into other areas too that have nothing to do with colluding with Russia and he did not find anything.Don't forget Mueller got General Flynn,Papadopolous,Roger Stone,Paul Manafort for crimes that had nothing to do with colluding with Russia and yet found nothing on Trump,not even lying to investigator's,etc in order to bring charges against Trump as he could have.edwardmurphy wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 7:55 amAbe, the information is easy to find if you sincerely want to find it.
As well, [Barr's] argument goes, so long as presidential interference in an investigation is grounded in the Constitution and is not "corrupt" -- the word in the federal obstruction of justice statute -- it is not prosecutable.There's solid evidence of obstruction of justice. Mueller didn't attempt to prosecute because the DOJ rules prevented him from doing so. DOJ policy is that criminal wrongdoing by a sitting President should be dealt with via a political process (impeachment) rather than in the courts.Trump was not exonerated of obstruction. In fact, it's the complete opposite - Mueller reported a ton of evidence that Trump absolutely, definitely, 100% obstructed justice. He did it. Period.
The nearly universal view of law enforcement, however, rejects Barr's narrow view of obstruction and interprets the plain meaning of the federal statute as it was written. Thus, under this view, all corrupt interference or attempted interference with an investigation or judicial proceeding constitutes obstruction. A corrupt purpose is one that seeks personal gain for the obstructer, such as shielding him from the revelation of unpleasant truths.
So, if Trump fired FBI Director James Comey because Trump wanted to be the tallest person in the room or because he had a better director candidate in mind, there is no corrupt purpose. But if he fired Comey to delay or stop the FBI's acquisition of painful truths about Russia, as he told NBC's Lester Holt was his purpose, then whether the truths he wants to hide are about unlawful behavior or not, Trump's purpose is corrupt and his behavior is prosecutable.
As well, if the pre-presidential Trump instructed retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn to tell the Russian ambassador that Trump would relax sanctions on Russian banks and oligarchs once in office -- as Flynn told Mueller was the case -- Trump's efforts to hide that truth from FBI investigators constitute obstruction. And, if Trump lied to the public about the communications between his campaign and the Trump Organization and the Russians -- he said there were none -- and he tried to prevent the FBI from learning about the 127 communications, Trump's purpose is corrupt.
Asking Deputy National Security Adviser K.T. McFarland to put an untruthful document about Flynn's conversation with the Russian ambassador into a government file that is likely to be subpoenaed and asking White House Counsel Don McGahn to lie to FBI agents are acts of obstruction. They constituted ordering subordinates to commit crimes for a corrupt purpose -- shielding Trump from the revelation of unpleasant truths about his behavior.
We know that Attorney General Barr's own DOJ rejects its boss' narrow view of obstruction because of an indictment it announced just last week. A federal grand jury in Boston indicted a sitting judge of the Superior Court of Massachusetts for obstruction of justice. Her crime? She allegedly told the ICE agents in her courtroom to arrest a defendant appearing in front of her that the defendant would be released from her custody in the courthouse lobby.
When sheriff's officers instead released him to the courthouse parking lot, and the defendant escaped, the judge was accused of obstructing justice even though it is legally impossible for her to have committed the underlying crime that ICE was prosecuting -- illegal reentry into the U.S. by a once-deported and undocumented immigrant.
The U.S. is planted thick with laws intended to preserve human freedom by keeping the government honest. When the government breaks its own laws and gets away with it, it undermines the personal liberty of us all.
~ Conservative Republican and longtime FOX News Contributor Judge Andrew Napolitano (who Trump fans now, hilariously, insist is a Democrat)
Trump's not likely to be impeached because, as we all know, the Senate Republicans won't convict him. Impeachment would most likely be a political gift, because he'd be able to spin a Senate acquittal as exoneration. I hope that we can all agree that being acquitted because all of your buddies are on the jury isn't the same as being acquitted because you're innocent.
Regarding collusion, here are some direct quotes from the Mueller Report:
RUSSIAN CONTACTS WITH THE CAMPAIGN
The social media campaign and the GRU hacking operations coincided with a series of contacts between Trump Campaign officials and individuals with ties to the Russian government. The Office investigated whether those contacts reflected or resulted in the Campaign conspiring or coordinating with Russia in its election-interference activities. Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.We understood coordination to require an agreement — tacit or express — between the Trump Campaign and the Russian government on election interference. That requires more than the two parties taking actions that were informed by or responsive to the other’s actions or interests. We applied the term coordination in that sense when stating in the report that the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.In other words, the Russians favored Trump as a candidate and Trump happily used information that he knew had been stolen by the Russians to benefit his campaign, while simultaneously insisting that there was no evidence of any Russian hacking - a position he maintained for most of the first half of his presidency, despite the entire American intelligence community saying the exact opposite the whole time.
Mueller can't prove that Trump and the Russians ever managed to actually sit down and hammer out a quid pro quo agreement, only that they repeatedly tried, but were unable to do so. Therefore the Trump Campaign's actions do not reach the level of a conspiracy. So Trump and the Russians simultaneously worked toward a common purpose and played off of each others' actions to achieve that purpose without ever technically working together.
Trump and the Russians had basically the same relationship that political candidates have with friendly super PACS - they're not allowed to coordinate, but there's nothing stopping a candidate from going on television to muse aloud about the kind of assistance he'd like to recieve if anyone was inclined to help out. Kind of like this:
Russia was listening. They attacked Clinton's email that very day, just like Trump hoped they would.
So it's not technically coordination, but it sure seems coordinated...
Who's okay with that?
And the fact the Democrats in the House are still investigating Trump,looking into his finances,his tax records,etc proves that they have absolutely nothing on Trump,but are looking for anything to try to get rid of him.The bottom line is there must be a crime in order to have obstruction of justice and there is not one. So there can be no obstruction of justice.Further more I told you that when the Mueller report comes out it will show no collusion with Russia, as happened. I even explained to you why and yet no matter how many times I give you correct info that turns out to be correct you ignore it and believe people in the MSM who have been lying for over two years about this. This is you believing what you want to hear.