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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by RickD » Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:45 am

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Some are extremists and some are probably misguided, but I think that the majority simply feel like Black lives don't especially matter in the United States, or at least that Black lives matter a good deal less than White lives, or Blue lives. There's plenty of data supporting their position.
Black lives matter even less to other black people, according to the stats.
To state that black lives don't matter in the states because black people get killed means that it is also correct to state that black lives don't matter to black people since more blacks are killed by other blacks than anyone else.

Blanket statements are pointless.

You had a black president for 8 years with a majority for Pete's sake.
He's not black, he's mulatto, for Pete's sake.
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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by Stu » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:26 am

Another leftist that has COMPLETELY lost their mind. And he is supposed to be a psychiatrist :lol: He should diagnose himself...
And these people wonder why the right is worried about the left. They are lunatics.
“Trump is as destructive of person in this century as Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were in the last century,” Francis said on – ironically – “Reliable Sources” Sunday. “He may be responsible for many more millions of deaths than they were.”

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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by Philip » Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:09 am

What bothers me about this and similar threads is people, whether identifying conservative or liberal, only tend to constantly cherrypick and highlight the sins and bad actions of the other side, and thus asserting a false narrative, as if lies, bad behavior and treachery are only done by those leaning left or right. Or as if EVERYONE on the opposite of their political spectrum is all evil, and it's all just a matter of the good guys vs. the bad ones. But that's just not reality. I could easily list negative, stupid and dangerous actions and words of people across the political spectrum. And note, there are Christians who lean both ways. Of course, there are people of extreme views, words and actions on both sides - and THOSE extremists on both sides are poisoning the atmosphere and ability for sensible dialogue for all of us - meaning, they are EQUALLY dangerous and it really doesn't matter which way they lean. People get this idea in their heads that if we just got rid of all those who self-identfy politically different than we do, the world then become so much better - and that's a delusion, as we're dealing with sinful human beings with all manner of bad tendencies!
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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by edwardmurphy » Mon Aug 26, 2019 8:02 pm

Oh no! Yet again, some guy said something! The sky is falling, the sky is falling!
“Trump is as destructive of person in this century as Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were in the last century,” Francis said on – ironically – “Reliable Sources” Sunday. “He may be responsible for many more millions of deaths than they were.”
Wait, that statement is actually ambiguous.

The words "may be responsible for many more millions of deaths" could be interpreted to mean that the speaker believes that Trump is currently causing the deaths of millions. That statement would obviously be factually inaccurate. Ironically, if you changed Trump to Obama it would also be the kind of statement that one would expect to see on InfoWars and which, I'm completely confident, wouldn't bother you a bit.

On the other hand, he could have meant that Trump, being destructive and all, could be responsible for many millions of death in the future. If that's the case then the jury's still out. Is it possible that Trump could make a decision that leads to a war that kills a couple hundred million people? Yes, yes it is. Do I think it's likely? No, not really. Still, it's possible.

It's interesting that InfoWars went all in on the first interpretation without ever considering the second one. It's possible that InfoWars has some sort of bias. None of it really matters. It's just more politics. It's certainly no worse than, say, this:

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Still, I can see how it would be compelling for someone as deeply invested in right wing outrage culture as you are. It reinforces everything that you think you know and justifies all of your paranoia and prejudices. Well, bully for you. You found another example of a "leftist" being ridiculous (or maybe just hyperbolic - it's ambiguous).

Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by RickD » Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:02 am

Stu,

Do you think that leftists, however you define them, are the enemies of Christians?
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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by Stu » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:22 am

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Tue Aug 27, 2019 5:02 am
Stu,

Do you think that leftists, however you define them, are the enemies of Christians?
That's a pretty loaded question, and kinda silly. And "enemy" is a little strong don't you think...

But to answer your question, what do we see in the world today - it is mostly leftists that are implementing and support anti-religion/anti-gun/anti-family/pro abortion/anti border control/pro censorship laws, etc, etc. So while they aren't the "enemy" in the traditional sense of the word they certainly are a force that needs to be stopped or the world will end up as a total s***hole mess. Many of the Democrat run areas in the US are ending up just like that, faeces infested, dirty s***hole areas.

There's a saying that goes something like this: "What one generation will tolerate, the next will accept, or even embrace." That is leftists for you, they tolerate just about everything and anything. Cannibalism, pedophilia and beastiality are the next thing to normalise on their list.
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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by RickD » Tue Aug 27, 2019 6:57 am

RickD wrote: Stu,

Do you think that leftists, however you define them, are the enemies of Christians?

Stu wrote:
That's a pretty loaded question, and kinda silly. And "enemy" is a little strong don't you think...
I think it's reasonable to ask, considering the way that you post.
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There's a saying that goes something like this: "What one generation will tolerate, the next will accept, or even embrace." That is leftists for you, they tolerate just about everything and anything. Cannibalism, pedophilia and beastiality are the next thing to normalise on their list.
Alrighty then.
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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by PaulSacramento » Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:49 am

What one generation will tolerate, the next will accept, or even embrace." That is leftists for you, they tolerate just about everything and anything. Cannibalism, pedophilia and beastiality are the next thing to normalise on their list.
Not that far off.

Pedophilia is being promoted as just "another form of love" by some groups.
Bestiality has made it's way to Hollywood - Shape of water
As for cannibalism, zombie's being the "good guys" or at least " ok" is already mainstream in some movies and series.

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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by Philip » Tue Aug 27, 2019 10:35 am

What would you call The Klan, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, fascists, extreme racists of all stripes? They sure aren't leftists. They're certainly not promoting Christian values. They promote hate and violence! But the main difference is that these groups are also hated by the media, but the leftists extremists are not nearly so widely condemned.

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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by Stu » Tue Aug 27, 2019 11:01 am

Philip wrote:
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What would you call The Klan, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, fascists, extreme racists of all stripes? They sure aren't leftists. They're certainly not promoting Christian values. They promote hate and violence! But the main difference is that these groups are also hated by the media, but the leftists extremists are not nearly so widely condemned.
You're missing the point a little.

Who runs society.

Hollywood? Leftists. School system? Leftists. University? Leftists. Social media like Facebook? Leftists. Internet like Google? Leftists. News media, apart from FOX? Leftists. Government? Well we have a conservative in the White House, yes, but the likes of the FBI and so on are full of loyal leftists. Music industry? Leftists.

Leftists have their hand in nearly all spheres of life these days, and so they control what is considered "normal".

Don't underestimate how much influence Hollywood has over society and how it's morals and ethics change as a result thereof. It is a cesspool full of leftists pushing their agenda.
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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by Philip » Tue Aug 27, 2019 2:12 pm

Stu, I would agree the far left or those I see as extremely liberal are considerably more numerous than those on the extreme right. I think what unites the extremists is, whether they are on the far right or left, is A) both camps go beyond despising policies and beliefs to despising people, even hating them, and B) they look upon pursuing dialogue and civil conversations with those they oppose as an unthinkable thing - as both camps believe they should just get rid of those they disagree with.

So, my question to everyone - especially Christians - do you really think you're doing any good if what you mostly do is is moan and vent anger about those you disagree with, without offering up good ideas, solutions and doing positive things that might change some hearts and minds, or encourage positive things from them? Or are we so angry at those we see as causing so much trouble that all we do is show our disgust and look at these other human beings as beneath even caring about? See, this is what I saw in many movements of recent years - as all they are mostly doing is bitching and spewing off about what they are angry about - without doing anything whatsoever to help bring about positive changes in society. People tend to think just joining an angry, "fed-up" movement is helping. It's insufficient, and often morphs into hate and it's own corruptions. If people are sincerely angry about injustice and hurtful things in society, why not put some of that wasted energy toward solutions - because that is what can change hearts. And do we not realize that unless we encourage people toward Christ, we'll never be taking part in what could truly change society! Become seriously immersed in politics typically doesn't produce many positive results.

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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by edwardmurphy » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:33 am

PaulSacramento wrote:
Tue Aug 27, 2019 9:49 am
What one generation will tolerate, the next will accept, or even embrace." That is leftists for you, they tolerate just about everything and anything. Cannibalism, pedophilia and beastiality are the next thing to normalise on their list.
Not that far off.
You guys are maddening.

Paul, Stu's assessment is not only extremely far off, it's evil, vicious, hateful propaganda designed to paint people who disagree with American conservative politics as unpatriotic, perverted, and dangerous. I'm absolutely shocked that he can say [poop] like that - even here - and get so little pushback. His views are those of a dangerous extremist. I'm not saying that he doesn't have the right to speak his mind, but the things that he's saying are vile, disgusting, and factually inaccurate. I'd have expected pushback.
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Pedophilia is being promoted as just "another form of love" by some groups.
Which groups? NAMBLA is promoting it that way, but of course they are - they're a bunch of creepy pedophiles. That's the only pro-pedophilia group I know of, and NAMBLA isn't part of the Democratic coalition, nor are they a liberal group. NAMBLA is a single issue interest group, united solely by their desire to be act on their pedophilic urges without going to prison.

This constant attempt to tie pedophilia to liberal politics is disgusting and evil. Sometimes it seems like you guys are laying the groundwork for rounding up liberals and putting us in concentration camps. Actually, I'm pretty sure Abe endorsed exactly that a few months back. Paul, we're not evil leftists looking to destroy the West. A lot of the policies that American liberals support and American conservatives label socialism have been working just fine in Canada for years.
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Bestiality has made it's way to Hollywood - Shape of water
We learned it from watching you.

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Seriously, though, stories like that are hardly an American liberal invention. They go back thousands of years. Zeus (in swan form) and Leda? Zeus (in bull form) and Europa? Beyond that, if making a weird movie in which beastiality is a theme can be taken as an endorsement of beastiality then surely all of the thoroughly horrifying conduct in the Bible can also be taken as an endorsement of said horrifying conduct.
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As for cannibalism, zombie's being the "good guys" or at least " ok" is already mainstream in some movies and series.
Again, are you [love] kidding me? You're actually arguing that making a show in which the zombie is (sometimes, sort of) the good guy is an endorsement of cannibalism? Again, if a film having a sympathetic zombie character is an endorsement of cannibalism then Jesus laying out rules for how slaves should behave is a Biblical endorsement of slavery. That logic cuts in a lot of different directions, and you're not getting away unscathed.
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Post by edwardmurphy » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:26 am

You rest your case? What does that even mean?

And from your link -

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Childhood Sensuality Circle (CSC). Founded in 1971 in San Diego, California, by a student of Wilhelm Reich.[10]
North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA). 1978–present. Considered to be largely defunct.[37][38]
Pedophile Information Society.[39]
Project Truth. One of the organizations which was expelled from ILGA in 1994 as a pedophile organization.[3] Defunct.
René Guyon Society. Possibly fictitious. Its slogan was supposedly "sex before eight, or it's too late."[27]

So we've got 5 organizations, of which one is "largely defunct," one is entirely defunct, and one is most likely fictitious. So we've got 2 organizations. I Googled the Pedophile Information Society and came up empty. I followed the link in the endnote and ended up with a study written in Portuguese. My Spanish is decent, but not decent enough to let me read Portuguese, so that's out. And that leaves NAMBLA.

So at least one of those 5 groups exists, but so what? None of them have anything to do with the American political left. The fact that you're trying to make a connection is disturbing.
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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by Fliegender » Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:52 pm

edwardmurphy wrote:
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So at least one of those 5 [pedophile] groups exists, but so what? None of them have anything to do with the American political left. The fact that you're trying to make a connection is disturbing.
Agreed. I’d bet a year’s salary that no one on the left supports pedophelia. I’m sure that even the men who practice pedophelia know it’s wrong.

This whole Sex perverts are all Democrats “discussion” is nothing more than mud slinging.
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