Everyone, let me list down my thoughts here:
1. I don't like abortion, I have said that already.
2. I don't think this issue is black and white. I have noticed that some of the responses are quite passionate but I consider that passion and nothing else. Sounds good on paper. In reality, it doesn't help.
3. I am not saying that the baby in the womb is not human, of course, it's human. What else will it be?
4. In third world countries, most people are not educated. They are not aware of most preventive measures. They literally don't know. Generally, people don't like Abortion, not even in Pakistan. But you won't find anyone setting fire to abortion clinics. The govt doesn't stop anyone or encourages anyone to have an abortion. We have other bigger problems.
You think people make informed decisions when having abortions? No. They are worried how they would feed another mouth. There is no childcare, no govt help no welfare system. And most of the time, when people don't abort they send sell their children to rich lords so the baby can grow to be a servant in the house, will be fed and in turn made to work like an animal all day long. Child labor is rampant. Ever wear your Nike's or Addidas'? they are usually made in a third world country by children.
If not that, the extra child will just earn for the family as soon as it is 5-6 years old. The children usually are beaten, abused, molested, mistreated, sold to be sex slaves if not servants.
Our countries are overpopulated, we don't produce enough so that everyone can eat and have a bare minimum life.
5. The reason I said it's not murder is that it technically just isn't. If you have a justification to kill/end life if you consider the pros and cons, and I am using the same yardstick here Rick, the one you referred to about the Nuking post. That if you take all factors in, it just seems to me that, yes it is also justifiable to have an abortion.
Rick, Thank you for your candid thoughts. I was a bit surprised that you didn't spot the irony in what you said. You initially called me out in the inconsistency that I held nuking Japan, unjustified but not abortion and I believe your argument is that nuking Japan can be justified but abortion can't be. Do you see that abortion can too be justified, the same as the nuking? We're basically saying the same thing. You hold the nuking, justified and not abortion and me Vice versa. If there is an inconsistency then it is in both of our arguments. Or else you can agree with me that they are two very different issues.
If someone's point is not covered, let me know and I will respond accordingly. I made one post as there are too many replies to answer.
K, I hope I answered yours as well.
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It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.
I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
and to a cold almost the equal of the Dante-esque Ninth Circle Arctic Night