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Post by B. W. » Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:49 am

Here is an interesting commentary on Immigration I ran across. I don't watch Bill O'Reilly but came across something interesting he did say on the agenda behind the uber left on immigration policy.

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Post by edwardmurphy » Wed Dec 02, 2015 6:44 pm

Who cares? The "uber left" is, by definition, a fringe group. Fringe groups aren't taken seriously by anyone but the folks on the opposite fringe. O'Reilly knows that, but he's a Republican pundit looking to manufacture controversy so he pretends that he doesn't. FOX is full of smart people playing dumb to fill airtime.

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Post by Hortator » Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:24 am

I like the top comment.

"I didn’t know it was possible to not rile up the left. I just thought they were offended by everything."

Immigration is another issue where the "optics" appear black and white. If you welcome anybody, literally, anybody into this country, you are pro-immigrant. If you think there ought to be caveats, precautions, and certifications to go along with the process, including citizenship, then you are anti-immigrant. Along with a myriad of useless, dinosaur words like bigot hater xenophobe [blank]phobe, yada yada ad nauseum.
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Post by JurassicTerrorist » Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:12 pm

Hortator wrote:If you think there ought to be caveats, precautions, and certifications to go along with the process, including citizenship, then you are anti-immigrant. Along with a myriad of useless, dinosaur words like bigot hater xenophobe [blank]phobe, yada yada ad nauseum.
Don't forget racist! Gosh, don't you just hate it when naive or ignorant people use the word "racist" when it doesn't even have anything to do with race or skin color!

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Post by edwardmurphy » Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:37 pm

Hortator wrote:I like the top comment.

"I didn’t know it was possible to not rile up the left. I just thought they were offended by everything."
You say that as if "the right" was any different. It isn't.
Hortator wrote:Immigration is another issue where the "optics" appear black and white. If you welcome anybody, literally, anybody into this country, you are pro-immigrant. If you think there ought to be caveats, precautions, and certifications to go along with the process, including citizenship, then you are anti-immigrant. Along with a myriad of useless, dinosaur words like bigot hater xenophobe [blank]phobe, yada yada ad nauseum.
Please...

According to "the right," by which I mean professional pundits and the amateurs who take them seriously and parrot their talking points, "the left" is just letting anyone and everyone into the US with no screening process and no regard for our safety. That's a load of crap.

We don't "welcome anybody, literally anybody, into this country" and I'm not aware of a single Democratic leader, or even a left-wing pundit, who says that we should. That claim is a bold-faced lie being disseminated by the Republican Party and their mouthpieces at FOX News.

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Post by Furstentum Liechtenstein » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:07 pm

I'm not gringo, so I can't comment on anything relative to the Democratic Party. I don't listen to Bill O'Reilly either but I do know that he's a polemicist and very good at what he does. I also don't like the New York Times because it is an anti-Zionist and extremly regressive «progressive» newspaper. Having said all that, I agree with Eddy on this:
edwardmurphy wrote:Who cares? The "uber left" is, by definition, a fringe group. Fringe groups aren't taken seriously by anyone but the folks on the opposite fringe. O'Reilly knows that, but he's a Republican pundit looking to manufacture controversy so he pretends that he doesn't.
And I agree with him on this:
edwardmurphy wrote:FOX is full of smart people playing dumb to fill airtime.
...ditto for CNN and the BBC. The ratings game has turned news services into entertainment programs. Amen.

With the recent terrorist attack in San Bernadino*, it should be evident to any sensible American that the real problem with your immigration policy isn't with illegal Latino day laborers. Wasn't it President Reagan who offered a general amnesty to illegals? And wasn't Reagan a Republican President? y#-o

There is enough foolishness on both sides of the political spectrum. Fix the real problem or end up like Europe.

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*not to mention the Fort Hood attack, Boston Marathon bombing and other terrorism on American soil done in the name of Allah...
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Post by EssentialSacrifice » Fri Dec 04, 2015 6:13 pm

That's a load of crap. ----> although I do also believe that is this the form everyone goes through to gain entry... is a load.

American politics has nothing to do with the populous. It's power endowed by the masses looking for the easiest way out. imeanyouknow...nottobeDennieDowneroranything ... and the current administration is no different, why should it be ? It's like taking candy from a baby then terminating the pregnancy. The stuff our politics buys in to, with our money and oblivious blessing.
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Post by edwardmurphy » Fri Dec 04, 2015 8:45 pm

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:There is enough foolishness on both sides of the political spectrum. Fix the real problem or end up like Europe.
The real problem is complex, and it can't be fixed by locking down the borders or dropping more bombs. We're going to have to change our Middle East policy. If we're going to throw our weight around the Middle East, interfere in their domestic politics, and lend our uncritical support to every move the Israelis make there's going to be a response.

I agree that border security is important. I agree that ISIS is a problem. I agree that violent Muslim fanatics are scary. But none of that absolves us of our own culpability. Pretending that we're the victims of unprovoked violence is worse than useless. If we don't make some changes this mess is just going to get worse.
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Post by B. W. » Sat Dec 05, 2015 10:30 am

edwardmurphy wrote:
Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:There is enough foolishness on both sides of the political spectrum. Fix the real problem or end up like Europe.
The real problem is complex, and it can't be fixed by locking down the borders or dropping more bombs. We're going to have to change our Middle East policy. If we're going to throw our weight around the Middle East, interfere in their domestic politics, and lend our uncritical support to every move the Israelis make there's going to be a response.

I agree that border security is important. I agree that ISIS is a problem. I agree that violent Muslim fanatics are scary. But none of that absolves us of our own culpability. Pretending that we're the victims of unprovoked violence is worse than useless. If we don't make some changes this mess is just going to get worse.
Ed you are correct, folks do need to look at one's political leader's own culpability:

Loretta Lynch Vows to Prosecute

Here is an excellent (and must) read on the documented history progressism and liberalism:

Progressivism and Liberalism

At the root, progressive movement holds complete disdain for the traditions of the USA (who we are as Americans), such as, universal values (truths), exceptionalism, objective truth/morality, Judaic/Christian influence on society, free market capitalism with certain limits, family, decency, goodness of the kind that taught that there is good and evil, the US Constitution, the traditions of the founding of the USA, etc.

They are hell bent to carry out their programs with a far greater religious zeal than radical Islam.

Their support for the murder of the unborn by abortion is one example and another anti-Christian, anti-good, anti conservative, and broad brush stereotyping all that oppose them as bigots, racist, phobic, imbeciles...

The inability to report suspicious behavior born out of PC fear of racial profiling is another example of progressivism and due to that, San Bernardino Terror attack was carried through.

You have The New York Daily headline after the attack post this head line: "Why Isn't God Isn't Fixing This" in response to calls of prayers for the victims of the San Bernardino Terror attack, etc. Rahm Emanuel's "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste," sums up the amoral nature of the political left and why they support things that are determinantal to society by means of the Social Conflict Theory to collaspe the system to begin central planning of grand scale.

We are in this mess, not due to America's flaunting some form of control seeking to take over the world. That is not true. In the nasty world of Nations is the dirty word of protection, protecting the rights of american citizen's to live and let live. The cold war, etc, are example of this dirty business because the reality of truth is: there are people who desire the enslavement, destruction, and take over of the USA and its resources. The USA, as all nations do - go into the dirty business of protecting its national interest. America is not the evil cancer of the world as it is made out to be nor is it the cause of all evil.

Just because some business opened a Burger King, MacDonalds, or KFC in a Muslim Country does not justify 9/11/2001 or all the prior terror attacks on US building, soldiers sent to Lebanon, US Ships, privet citizens killed because of fast food industry or Madonna or the porn industry or because of movie industry controlled by progressives who make raunchy movies...that offends Muslims cause terrorism. That is absurd.

Why Isn't God Isn't Fixing This in a country that elected progressives, governed by progressives, educational system controlled by progressives, God denying rhetoric by progressives, moral relativism forced upon all by progressives, well, the reason is simple to see.

I am reminded of these verses in the bible:

Why do the nations rage, and the people plot a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD and against His Anointed, saying, "Let us break their bonds in pieces and cast away their cords from us.", Psalms 2:1-3 NKJV

No better set of verses describe the progressive goal of central planning, and the reason that motivates them to bring to ruin objective moral decency more aptly.

This is all a sign of the times and biblical prophecy moving toward complexion. Time to stand tall for Jesus Christ and move away from Laodicea.
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P.S. The left's favorite tactic is verbal schematic of equivalency argument that seeks to pit moral standards of opponent against the opponents own standards. Sorry we do not have time to play this game. ISIS is here in the USA another attack will come, we all know this.

In the process of destroying America, the left fails to realize that they too will be destroyed.

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Post by edwardmurphy » Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:18 pm

Loretta Lynch simply reaffirmed that inciting violence against your neighbors is illegal, even if they're Muslims, and even if you're really, really mad. What's the problem? Are you in favor of anti-Muslim pogroms?

The rest of your post is just the usual rant against the usual progressive straw men. You're oversimplifying extremely complex issues because doing so supports your position. None of your bogeymen existed in a vacuum, yet you're determined to pull them out of context. Try taking off your blinders and looking at the bigger picture some time.

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Post by B. W. » Sun Dec 06, 2015 11:16 pm

We are told to shut up, Islam is a religion of peace...

However, how does Islam define peace? Ever thought to ask this?

That is a serious and realistic and honest question: How does Islam define peace?

Does it mean the same things as it does in the west?

Let's find out

Peace in Islam means the purity of obedience and submission to the will of Allah (God) and obedience to His law. Islam Link that defines Peace

How do we in the west define peace? Do we mean the same thing?

No, in the west we stick to various definitions from freedom from disturbance; quiet and tranquility to cessation of war and violence. Calmness, quiet, happiness, etc and etc.

In the Christian sense, peace means wholeness, soundness, stability, to be complete or sound in heart and mind, midst the most vexing times to the most mundane hours to the most joyous of times. The concept is that this peace comes from God to us as he is the author of wholeness, balance, soundness, and we learn in this life to become more whole and sound as we go through this life on earth by his help freely given by grace, not our works.

I hope folks can see that In Islam peace has a different meaning which is verified easily enough with a little research.

This is important to know when political leaders as well as Islamic representatives speak of Islam as being a religion of peace. There is a double entree being played upon people when such tell us Islam is a religion of peace. People, whom in an innocent but dimwitted would put lipstick on a pit viper and say it is not a snake but rather a friendly peace loving house guest that sure can sleep in the kids bed anytime, just look at the lipstick! Islamic peace is not how we in the west would define the word or ever want to live under.

Modern-day Islamic scholar, Ibrahim Sulaiman, said, “Jihad is not inhumane, despite its necessary violence and bloodshed, its ultimate desire is peace which is protected and enhanced by the rule of law.”

In Islam peace is brought about by forcing others to submit to Islamic law and only when all peoples of the world submit to Islamic law will there be any peace. So, is Islam a peaceful religion? The answer is Yes, however not he way we in the west define or think about peace.

So, Islamic peace comes by force or clever subterfuge that leads to world domination of all to serve an live under Islamic law:

Quran 47:5: And when you meet in regular battle those who disbelieve, smite their necks; and, when you have overcome them, bind fast the fetters — then afterwards either release them as a favour or by taking ransom — until the war lays down its burdens (Means Peace has arrived). That is the ordinance. And if Allah had so pleased, He could have punished them Himself, but He has willed that He may try some of you by others. And those who are killed in the way of Allah — He will never render their works vain.

Ibrahim Sulaiman, who was a leading Islamic scholar wrote this:

"The theory that our religion is a peaceful and loving religion is a wrong theory. The Holy war as it is known in Islamic jurisprudence is basically an offensive war, and it is the duty of all Muslims of every age…because our prophet Muhammad said that he is ordered by Allah to fight all people until they say ‘No God but Allah,’ and he is his messenger. It is meaningless to talk about the holy war as only defensive, otherwise, what did the prophet mean when he said, “from now on even if they don’t invade you, you must invade them."

Another Islamic scholar and author Sayyid Qutb said this:

"The theory that our religion is a peaceful and loving religion is a wrong theory. The Holy war as it is known in Islamic jurisprudence is basically an offensive war, and it is the duty of all Muslims of every age…because our prophet Muhammad said that he is ordered by Allah to fight all people until they say ‘No God but Allah,’ and he is his messenger."

In other words, peace will only come when all people of the world submit to Islam and one is to only be kind to non-Muslims in that world as per:

"God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you in the religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just." (Surat al-Mumtahana, 8 )

This is to convert them to submit to Islamic law and non-Muslims are under restrictions, not peace, not harmony, but often held with contempt and abused.

Peace in Islam means obedience to Shari’ah law in order to achieve harmony and peace for mankind.

Islamic scholar and author Sayyid Qutb said: "When Islam strives for peace, its objective is not that superficial peace which requires that only that part of the earth where the followers of Islam are residing remain secure. The peace which Islam desires is that the religion (i.e. the Law of the society) be purified for God, that the obedience of all people be for God alone."

The leaders of Iran are followers of Sayyid Qutb as well as he influenced the Muslim brotherhood and the entire Muslim world in many ways.

Look at the laws in Islamic countries. It is there, how one really can look to see how Islam defines peace. It is submission, slavery to a works based salvation, lack of human rights, brutality, male dominance enforced, etc and etc.

I suggest to to the President as well as all Liberals, to answer this question: Would you like to move you and your family to live in an Islamic country or rather one that is influenced by Judaic/Christian traditions of grace?

Next time such folks spew how we must not criticize Islam or speak of it as a religion of war, submission, and oppression, then I suggest you all pack you and your family and move expeditiously to Saudi Arabia, North Africa, Iran,as soon as possible and so either put up or shut up.

Thank You... and please do your own research on Islam as they do indeed define peace differently than we do.

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Post by RickD » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:27 pm

Oh the irony!!!

After the last husband and wife shooting in California, it came out that the male shooter(radical Muslim) got in a debate with a coworker who was a messianic Jew. Apparently the discussion got quite heated. They were arguing about whether Islam was a religion of peace. One of the people who was killed, was the messianic Jew.

I guess we know now, the answer to whether Islam is a religion of peace. :shakehead:
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Post by B. W. » Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:18 pm

Check this out. This happened in 2012 but due to media black out concerning the actions of Muslims in Dearborn Michigan and the media's blaming these Christians for asking to have stones pelted at them - deserving it - the story is largely forgotten.



Then the pundits blame hostile Christians as deserving to be stoned. Who really deserve to have stones tossed at them is not even considered by the progressive pundits.

Free speech be D--mned...

Just imagine if Christians picked up stones to stone some atheist hecklers, would the media be so nice?

Look at the CBN Blog as it list some research: Data

Then these articles

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-relig ... TB20130108

https://www.opendoorsusa.org/christian- ... atch-list/

You know it would actually be beneficial to discuss what Islam ie (Peace by submission) means by peace. However, the current Political and political correct environment will not let this happen. Instead - blame the Christians is a far easier stance because we do not throw stones.

Are there peaceful Muslims as we in the west define peace. Yes, and they too are sought after to be killed by their own devout religion of peace. However, once Islam is the rule of the land ... y:-?

Fact of the matter, we are not permitted to discuss Islam in an honestly factual way and compare it to other world religions. Since Christianity can be scrutinized in the harshest of manner and ways, why can't Islam?

This controversial website has some stat's near the bottom of the page listing of Islamist attacks... even on their own fellow Muslims.. http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Obama may say we should not base Syrian refugees entry to the USA to a test of religion. However, if that were really true, why then only are only 4 percent of these refugees are Christians while many others are forced to wait to enter the USA while 96 percent Muslim are allowed in so far?

Methinks Obama indeed has a religious test already in place.
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B. W. wrote:Obama may say we should not base Syrian refugees entry to the USA to a test of religion. However, if that were really true, why then only are only 4 percent of these refugees are Christians while many others are forced to wait to enter the USA while 96 percent Muslim are allowed in so far?
At least two countries, Slovakia and Poland, have said that they would only accept Christian refugees from Syria. Refugees themselves understand the distaste Islam is generating in the West, so fake conversions to Christianity are likely going on in the hope of settling somewhere in Europe quickly. (See the thread entitled Thousands of Muslims in Northern Iraq Converting to Christianity.) Already, France's anti-immigration party won a decisive victory in mid-term elections which just went on there. After the Charlie Hebdo and Bataclan Massacres, and numerous terrorist acts that never make the news here, the French are just fed up.

The USA doesn't have such a strong anti-Muslim sentiment just yet*. With a friendly populace and an accomodating administration, it's only normal that you will end up with a high percentage of Muslim refugees. In any event, the country on your northern border is inviting in 25,000 Syrians. These should arrive by early 2016. Some 3700 have already landed in Montreal.

Forget the illegal Latinos; they just help your economy. Maybe the Trump Wall should be moved north...way, way north.

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Post by BGoodForGoodSake » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:07 pm

People will look back one day at the acrimony between Muslims and Christians, like we do now at how it was between Catholics and Protestants. Something we had to learn in school to pass the test.
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