First off, "anti-LGBTQAlphabetSoup" is just as much a pejorative as "crackpot fundie" or "Jesus freak." You're belittling peoples' identities, beliefs, and lifestyles. I'm not sure that it's appropriate to do so when similar behavior aimed at Christians is deemed "persecution." There's only one set of rules - if it's persecution when it's done to you then it's persecution when you do it.FlawedIntellect wrote:Funny you say that, because the SJW movement, with its Radical Feminism, its Pro-LGBTQAlphabetSoup, and its blatant Racism against white people, tends to put its ears in its fingers and whine and complain about the "cis hetero white male patriarchy" all the dang time, crying "racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, ablism, rape culture", and a bunch of other bunk claims.
Funny thing is, even atheists are sick of this nonsense. Especially the ones who hold to a more egalitarian viewpoint. They're not necessarily anti-LGBTQAlphabetSoup, but they still understand that it's wrong for these people to forcibly shut down small businesses of people who disagree with their views, and that it's wrong for these people to force their ideas on others.
As far s the "SJW " thing, I had no idea what you meant and had to Google the term. I discovered that it's in internet pejorative aimed at liberal blowhards, but I didn't see anything to suggest that there's a "movement." In any case, I'll concede that there are unreasonable people on both sides of the issue.
As far as forcibly shutting down small owners who disagree with their views, I guess that's one way to put it. Another is that small business owners who use religion to justify discriminating against people whose personal lives they don't approve of are violating the law. Now replace "gay wedding" with "biracial wedding" or "Christian wedding" and tell me that it's not precisely the same thing. The cake lady was too prejudiced to make a cake for a gay couple and too stupid to come with a better justification for her decision. "Jesus says I have to be a bigot" won't hold up in court, and she's not getting any sympathy from me, either.
I'm still really struggling with your use of the p-word. What I'm seeing is conservative Christians getting really angry because non-Christians are pointing out that Christians have long enjoyed special privileges and it's unconstitutional. Opening the school day with a prayer, having the Ten Commandments on display in our court houses, and having mangers in public buildings are all examples of that phenomenon. Don't get me wrong - I 100% understand the anger and I'd be surprised not to see it, but that doesn't make it any less a tantrum over losing special status.FlawedIntellect wrote:I admit, sometimes Christians tend to exaggerate in crying persecution, though that doesn't mean that persecution doesn't happen. Also, just because a few Christians have a persecution complex doesn't mean that there aren't blatant unconstitutional anti-religious pushes.
FlawedIntellect wrote:What, you didn't hear about prayer being banned from schools? Even at the flagpole? Even in the cafeteria? You haven't heard about lawsuits being filed over this? Why is it that Muslim students are being permitted to carry knives into schools for religious purposes, yet Christians are told not to pray in school? (Yes, this actually happens. >_>) You can't discriminate against one religion and give special privileges to another. It's unconstitutional.
PRAYER IS NOT BANNED FROM PUBLIC SCHOOLS!
Schools may not organize prayer groups, or push religion, or do anything else that would lead a reasonable observer to conclude that the school is advocating a religion.
Prayer is a First Amendment right. It is protected by the Constitution, even under the tyrannical rule of Barack Hussein Obama. Students may silently pray whenever they feel like it. They may pray out loud, alone or in groups, whenever they have unscheduled time. They may organize daily prayer groups, and their teachers may participate, provided they do it before school or during lunch and in an unofficial capacity. In other words...
PRAYER IS NOT BANNED FROM PUBLIC SCHOOLS!
Regarding the Muslim thing, I have no idea what you're talking about.
Exactly. And your right to pray is protected by the Constitution. That's why I keep saying that you're not being persecuted.FlawedIntellect wrote:If someone's offended by me praying, that's their problem. The constitution doesn't give anyone the "right to not be offended." It does, however, give people the right to "freedom of speech". To say that "freedom of speech doesn't protect being offensive" is ultimately to say that "freedom of speech doesn't protect freedom of speech" or "freedom of speech doesn't really mean freedom of speech." Offense can only be taken, not given, and that's what people don't understand. If an idea is bad and faulty, show it with reason, and not with emotion. Racism isn't wrong because it's racism. Racism is wrong because it devalues a fellow human being.
It's not nonsense.FlawedIntellect wrote:What's with the "other groups finally getting rights that straight Christians have enjoyed" nonsense? Marriage has historically been recognized universally by all cultures for socio-economic purposes, derived from understanding inherent natural truths. There are males, there are females, it takes a male and a female to reproduce, and people die. There's also a commonly held belief that people own property. So, this creates a question: Given that people own property, what happens to their property when they die? Who takes ownership over it? Marriage was an answer to this question. A man and a woman produce children, and the children inherit the property of their fathers. Marriage has always been about that. And with the inheritance of the previous generation's property, also comes the inheritance of the previous generation's responsibility.
A thousand years ago there were plenty of Christian homosexuals and plenty of unwanted Christian children. Some of those Christian homosexuals could have gotten married, adopted some of those unwanted Christian kids, and passed their property to them when they died, precisely like their heterosexual counterparts. And the world would have been better for it. So why didn't they? Because homosexuality was a capital offense.
By comparison, heterosexual Christians under Christian rule have literally never had to contend with that kind of persecution.
The divorce rate has been steadily declining for 30 years...FlawedIntellect wrote:Why do marriages keep failing these days? Because people don't have their priorities lined up correctly. While yes, love is important in a marriage, and is a necessary part of it, love is not the purpose of marriage. The purpose of marriage is raising a stable next generation. And that seems to have been entirely forgotten.