Israel: Small Country, Big Ideas

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Post by Gman » Sun May 11, 2014 7:33 pm

Israel (Bible Land), where the true geeks hang out.. :mrgreen:

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Post by Lonewolf » Wed Aug 06, 2014 5:36 pm

Is it wrong for a Christian to be anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian in this modern conflict?
Your outward profession of having put on Christ, has as yet to put off Plato from your heart!

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Post by RickD » Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:05 pm

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Post by Furstentum Liechtenstein » Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:09 pm

Lonewolf wrote:Is it wrong for a Christian to be anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian in this modern conflict?
Only if said Christian is an ignorant nincompoop. Or a Democrat.

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Post by Lonewolf » Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:33 am

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
Lonewolf wrote:Is it wrong for a Christian to be anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian in this modern conflict?
Only if said Christian is an ignorant nincompoop. Or a Democrat.

FL :D
Well, I'm not a dummycrat., neither am i republicant., and ignorant i am of many things, so i do classify., but as to a nincompoop, well, being foolish is a trait of mine., i just can't help myself

i am interested to read from you all ~> why it is so hard for western society in general, in this day and age, not to see the plight of the Palestinian people., and i'm not talking about Hamas or such., i'm saying '"Palestinian people"
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Post by neo-x » Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:19 am

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Post by RickD » Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:54 am

I don't think anyone who follows what's going on over there, doesn't sympathize with the Palestinian people.

I heard this the other day, and I think it says a lot about what's going on there:

Israel Uses Missiles To Protect Its Citizens. Hamas Uses Citizens To Protect Its Missiles.

Many Palestinians are human shields.
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Post by melanie » Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:02 am

Lonewolf wrote:Is it wrong for a Christian to be anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian in this modern conflict?
It is not wrong for a Christian to take a humantium standpoint, devoid of politics and what we 'think we should say'
God does not care for the 'republicans'
The Almighty has no intersest in the 'democrats'
Leave to the world what is the worlds (politics), and deal with what comes from the spirit.
Hamas has much to answer for;
And Israel's actions are incomprehensible and not of 'christ', I question the motives of both sides, I question the bloodshed of both sides with the burden of loss resting on Israel.
Too many civialion casualities, do not bomb UN schools and hospitals, Hamas are not hiding there! Children are.
How can we excuse either side?
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Post by neo-x » Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:47 am

well said mel.
It would be a blessing if they missed the cairns and got lost on the way back. Or if
the Thing on the ice got them tonight.

I could only turn and stare in horror at the chief surgeon.
Death by starvation is a terrible thing, Goodsir, continued Stanley.
And with that we went below to the flame-flickering Darkness of the lower deck
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Post by PaulSacramento » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:07 am

Lonewolf wrote:Is it wrong for a Christian to be anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian in this modern conflict?
That depends on WHY.

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Post by Ivellious » Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:24 pm

Blindly placing blame on one side or the other for no reason other than religion or their ancestry is the worst kind of foolish, in my opinion. Same goes for blindly idolizing one side for the same reasons.

As far as I'm concerned, people in both Palestine and Israel are heavily in the wrong, and many civilians with no control over their situation are taking the worst of the damage in turn. It's just a sad situation overall, and one that is not so black and white that you can label one side as the "good guys" and the other as the "bad guys."

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Post by RickD » Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:47 pm

Ivellious wrote:Blindly placing blame on one side or the other for no reason other than religion or their ancestry is the worst kind of foolish, in my opinion. Same goes for blindly idolizing one side for the same reasons.

As far as I'm concerned, people in both Palestine and Israel are heavily in the wrong, and many civilians with no control over their situation are taking the worst of the damage in turn. It's just a sad situation overall, and one that is not so black and white that you can label one side as the "good guys" and the other as the "bad guys."
It's actually pretty simple to label. Israel=good guys. Hamas=bad guys. Palestinian citizens=expendable to Hamas.

It all boils down to this. Israel is surrounded by people that want her wiped off the face of the earth, and will stop at nothing to accomplish it. Hamas fires rockets from churches and schools. Israel has to defend herself, and still try not to kill civilians. Hamas doesn't care about Palestinians. To Hamas, Palestinian citizens are a tool used to attack Israel.
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Re: Israel: Small Country, Big Ideas

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Post by SeekingSanctuary » Thu Aug 07, 2014 3:55 pm

Well, I would say it is ignorant. Yes, civilians have died during the conflict, but the sheer responsibility falls on Hamas. First, they continuously use the Palestinian people as shields.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/08/07/co ... n-shields/

This article is limited as it does not go into the proper amount of detail. However, it does point out that Hamas does keep hostages in hospitals and keeps around them to keep people from attack them. Similarly they have launched missiles from near by hospitals and hotels (only hotels are mentioned in this article, though there have been reports). Hamas tactics 101, stay near civilians so the enemy is less likely to attack.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... alestinian

They also use UN schools. This article details the first time that the UN found missiles being stored in UN schools. There were two other times I am aware of, sadly all the news sources that bothered talking about it were very biased pro-Israel articles.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... #pagebreak

Continuing on Hamas is keeping very strict control of the media. They control what the press is allowed to video and tweet under threat of violence. Any reporter in the country is at their mercy, and they don’t have much for people who dare to be critical of them. I’d suggest reading this article above all others. I didn’t even know that the tunnels into Israel from Gaza were made by children, nor did I know about the high death toll of those children.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security ... irstrikes/

(admittedly the linked article is from biased source. However if you ever watch Jake Tapper’s show on CNN you know about this already) Israel regularly warns the civilians before they bomb to get them to go to safety. That’s how evil they are. The Palestinian government cares about their people so much they try and get them to stay in harms way. Human shields are so hard to come by, you know?

I won’t even touch the indoctrination. But Hamas is a mess.

You don’t need much awareness to see that Israel cares more about the Palestinian people than Hamas does. Hamas uses their citizens as hostages, meat-shields, and political pawns while Israel actively tries to keep them alive while protecting their own.

(I know this is badly written. I was putting my thoughts in order as I went. If any part is hard to read tell me)

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Post by Furstentum Liechtenstein » Thu Aug 07, 2014 4:35 pm

melanie wrote:It is not wrong for a Christian to take a humantium standpoint, devoid of politics and what we 'think we should say'God does not care for the 'republicans'The Almighty has no intersest in the 'democrats'Leave to the world what is the worlds (politics), and deal with what comes from the spirit.Hamas has much to answer for;And Israel's actions are incomprehensible and not of 'christ', I question the motives of both sides, I question the bloodshed of both sides with the burden of loss resting on Israel. Too many civialion casualities, do not bomb UN schools and hospitals, Hamas are not hiding there! Children are.
Have you ever heard the American aboriginal phrase, ''White man speaks with forked tongue''? Speaking with a ''forked tongue'' means you say one thing to someone but have a totally different intention behind their backs. Well, the Palestinians ''speak with forked tongue'' very well:

http://www.palwatch.org is a site that watches the Palestinian media and what it says in Arabic, then translates it into Western languages so that we may understand the hatred that is being inculcated to their Muslim audience.

Your ignorance is bliss! Click on the link! Learn what you don't want to know.

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Post by Lonewolf » Fri Aug 08, 2014 10:27 pm

Sad to say, but you're all looking at things from either a "religious" mind, or a "western" mind., not from the heart!

It is the story of Amerika
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