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Re: Are you prepared and ready for the stand of your lifetime?

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Post by waynepii » Tue Jun 09, 2009 4:28 am

ageofknowledge wrote:How does preventing a same-sex couple that wants to formalize their relationship involve discarding God's standard?

>Scripture reveals God's standard and his standard is, “But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality...because these are improper for God's holy people." Ephesians 5:3.

Specifically regarding the sexual immorality of homosexuality His Word declares: "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God." 1 Corinthians 6:9.

It was illegal under the law as shown in Leviticus 18:22, "You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman; it is a detestable act" and Deuteronomy 23:17.
And don't forget Lev 20:13 "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
Homosexuality is universally condemned in the Bible from Genesis to Revelation as are adultry, fornication, etc... What is not condemned is the person that turns away from their sexual addictions and sexual immorality releasing and turning to God through Jesus Christ (there are various excellent Christian recovery programs available to assist people with this). They are loved, accepted, and welcomed.. not condemned with those that reject God, His standard, and provision for their sin.
I'm not disputing that homosexuality is considered sinful, I'm objecting to using it to justify restricting people's rights.

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Post by ageofknowledge » Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:55 am

We don't live in a vaccum. Someone's rights are going to be restricted when opposing worldviews come into conflict and choices have to be made. I side with parent rights to restrict an atheist state from forcing the indoctrination of sexually immoral values on their children for example. We have God's standards which are clear and make for a healthy society.

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Post by waynepii » Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:43 am

And which of your rights would be restricted by letting same-sex couples marry? I can't think of anything except the "right" to impose your views on others? In other words, How does preventing gay marriage reduce homosexuality? How does it prevent your having a gay couple as next door neighbors? How does it make any difference to you at all (clearly, it matters to you, but it doesn't change anything).

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Re: Are you prepared and ready for the stand of your lifetime?

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Post by Jac3510 » Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:46 am

waynepii wrote:And which of your rights would be restricted by letting same-sex couples marry? I can't think of anything except the "right" to impose your views on others? In other words, How does preventing gay marriage reduce homosexuality? How does it prevent your having a gay couple as next door neighbors? How does it make any difference to you at all (clearly, it matters to you, but it doesn't change anything).
It doesn't change anything? I beg to differ:
What same-sex "marriage" has done to Massachusetts"
It's far worse than most people realize
October 20, 2008
by Brian Camenker

Anyone who thinks that same-sex “marriage” is a benign eccentricity which won't affect the average person should consider what it has done in Massachusetts. It's become a hammer to force the acceptance and normalization of homosexuality on everyone. And this train is moving fast. What has happened so far is only the beginning.

On November 18, 2003, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court announced its Goodridge opinion, ruling that it was unconstitutional not to allow same-sex “marriage.” Six months later, homosexual marriages began to be performed.

The public schools
The homosexual “marriage” onslaught in public schools across the state started soon after the November 2003, court decision.

•At my own children's high school there was a school-wide assembly to celebrate same-sex “marriage” in early December, 2003. It featured an array of speakers, including teachers at the school who announced that they would be “marrying” their same-sex partners and starting families either through adoption or artificial insemination. Literature on same-sex marriage — how it is now a normal part of society — was handed out to the students.

•Within months it was brought into the middle schools. In September, 2004, an 8th-grade teacher in Brookline, MA, told National Public Radio that the marriage ruling had opened up the floodgates for teaching homosexuality. “In my mind, I know that, `OK, this is legal now.' If somebody wants to challenge me, I'll say, `Give me a break. It's legal now,'” she told NPR. She added that she now discusses gay sex with her students as explicitly as she desires. For example, she said she tells the kids that lesbians can have vaginal intercourse using sex toys.

•By the following year it was in elementary school curricula. Kindergartners were given picture books telling them that same-sex couples are just another kind of family, like their own parents. In 2005, when David Parker of Lexington, MA — a parent of a kindergartner — strongly insisted on being notified when teachers were discussing homosexuality or transgenderism with his son, the school had him arrested and put in jail overnight.

Second graders at the same school were read a book, “King and King”, about two men who have a romance and marry each other, with a picture of them kissing. When parents Rob and Robin Wirthlin complained, they were told that the school had no obligation to notify them or allow them to opt-out their child.

•In 2006 the Parkers and Wirthlins filed a federal Civil Rights lawsuit to force the schools to notify parents and allow them to opt-out their elementary-school children when homosexual-related subjects were taught. The federal judges dismissed the case. The judges ruled that because same-sex marriage is legal in Massachusetts, the school actually had a duty to normalize homosexual relationships to children, and that schools have no obligation to notify parents or let them opt-out their children! Acceptance of homosexuality had become a matter of good citizenship!

Think about that: Because same-sex marriage is “legal”, a federal judge has ruled that the schools now have a duty to portray homosexual relationships as normal to children, despite what parents think or believe!

•In 2006, in the elementary school where my daughter went to Kindergarten, the parents of a third-grader were forced to take their child out of school because a man undergoing a sex-change operation and cross-dressing was being brought into class to teach the children that there are now “different kinds of families.” School officials told the mother that her complaints to the principal were considered “inappropriate behavior.”

•Libraries have also radically changed. School libraries across the state, from elementary school to high school, now have shelves of books to normalize homosexual behavior and the lifestyle in the minds of kids, some of them quite explicit and even pornographic. Parents complaints are ignored or met with hostility.

Over the past year, homosexual groups have been using taxpayer money to distribute a large, slick hardcover book celebrating homosexual marriage titled “Courting Equality” into every school library in the state.

•It's become commonplace in Massachusetts schools for teachers to prominently display photos of their same-sex “spouses” and occasionally bring them to school functions. Both high schools in my own town now have principals who are “married” to their same-sex partners, whom they bring to school and introduce to the students.

•“Gay days” in schools are considered necessary to fight “intolerance” which may exist against same-sex relationships. Hundreds of high schools and even middle schools across the state now hold “gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender appreciation days”. They “celebrate” homosexual marriage and move forward to other behaviors such as cross-dressing and transsexuality. In my own town, a school committee member recently announced that combating “homophobia” is now a top priority.

Once homosexuality has been normalized, all boundaries will come down. The schools are already moving on to normalizing transgenderism (including cross-dressing and sex changes). The state-funded Commission on Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Youth includes leaders who are transsexuals.

Public health
•The Commissioner of the Massachusetts Department of Public Health is “married” to another man. In 2007 he told a crowd of kids at a state-sponsored youth event that it's “wonderful being gay” and he wants to make sure there's enough HIV testing available for all of them.

•Since homosexual marriage became “legal” the rates of HIV / AIDS have gone up considerably in Massachusetts. This year public funding to deal with HIV/AIDS has risen by $500,000.

•Citing “the right to marry” as one of the “important challenges” in a place where “it's a great time to be gay”, the Massachusetts Department of Public Health helped produce The Little Black Book, Queer in the 21st Century, a hideous work of obscene pornography which was given to kids at Brookline High School on April 30, 2005. Among other things, it gives “tips” to boys on how to perform oral sex on other males, masturbate other males, and how to “safely” have someone urinate on you for sexual pleasure. It also included a directory of bars in Boston where young men meet for anonymous sex.

Domestic violence
•Given the extreme dysfunctional nature of homosexual relationships, the Massachusetts Legislature has felt the need to spend more money every year to deal with skyrocketing homosexual domestic violence. This year $350,000 was budgeted, up $100,000 from last year.

Business
•All insurance in Massachusetts must now recognize same-sex “married” couples in their coverage. This includes auto insurance, health insurance, life insurance, etc.

•Businesses must recognize same-sex “married” couples in all their benefits, activities, etc., regarding both employees and customers.

•The wedding industry is required serve the homosexual community if requested. Wedding photographers, halls, caterers, etc., must do same-sex marriages or be arrested for discrimination.

•Businesses are often “tested” for tolerance by homosexual activists. Groups of homosexual activists often go into restaurants or bars and publicly kiss and fondle each other to test whether the establishment demonstrates sufficient “equality” — now that homosexual marriage is “legal”. In fact, more and more overt displays of homosexual affection are seen in public places across the state to reinforce "marriage equality".

Legal profession
•The Massachusetts Bar Exam now tests lawyers on their knowledge of same-sex "marriage" issues. In 2007, a Boston man, Stephen Dunne, failed the Massachusetts bar exam because he refused to answer the questions in it about homosexual marriage.

•Issues regarding homosexual “families” are now firmly entrenched in the Massachusetts legal system. In many firms, lawyers in Massachusetts practicing family law must now attend seminars on homosexual "marriage". There are also now several homosexual judges overseeing the Massachusetts family courts.

Adoption of children to homosexual “married” couples
•Homosexual “married” couples can now demand to be able to adopt children the same as normal couples. Catholic Charities decided to abandon handling adoptions rather submit to regulations requiring them to allow homosexuals to adopt the children in their care.

•In 2006 the Massachusetts Department of Social Services (DSS) honored two men “married” to each other as their “Parents of the Year”. The men already adopted a baby through DSS (against the wishes of the baby's birth parents). According to news reports, the day after that adoption was final DSS approached the men about adopting a second child. Homosexuals now appear to be put in line for adopting children ahead of heterosexual parents by state agencies in Massachusetts.

Government mandates
•In 2004, Governor Mitt Romney ordered Justices of the Peace to perform homosexual marriages when requested or be fired. At least one Justice of the Peace decided to resign.

•Also thanks to Gov. Romney, marriage licenses in Massachusetts now have “Party A and Party B” instead of “husband and wife.” Romney did not have a legal requirement to do this; he did it on his own. (See more on this below.)

•Since homosexual relationships are now officially “normal”, the Legislature now gives enormous tax money to homosexual activist groups. In particular, the Massachusetts Commission on Gay Lesbian Bisexual and Transgender Youth is made up of the most radical and militant homosexual groups which target children in the schools. This year they are getting $700,000 of taxpayer money to go into the public schools.

•In 2008 Massachusetts changed the state Medicare laws to include homosexual “married” couples in the coverage.

The public square
•Since gay “marriage”, annual gay pride parades have become more prominent. There are more politicians and corporations participating, and even police organizations take part. And the envelope gets pushed further and further. There is now a profane “[lesbian] March” through downtown Boston, and recently a “transgender” parade in Northampton that included bare-chested women who have had their breasts surgically removed so they could “become” men. Governor Patrick even marched with his “out lesbian” 17-year old daughter in the 2008 Boston Pride event, right behind a “leather” group brandishing a black & blue flag, whips and chains!

The media
•Boston media, particularly the Boston Globe newspaper, regularly does feature stories and news stories portraying homosexual “married” couples where regular married couples would normally be used. It's “equal”, they insist, so there must be no difference in the coverage. Also, the newspaper advice columns now deal with homosexual "marriage" issues, and how to properly accept it.

•A growing number of news reporters and TV anchors are openly “married” homosexuals who march in the “gay pride” parades.

Is gay marriage actually legal in Massachusetts?
Like everywhere else in America, the imposition of same-sex marriage on the people of Massachusetts was a combination of radical, arrogant judges and pitifully cowardly politicians.

The Goodridge ruling resulted in a complete cave-in by politicians of both parties on this issue. Same-sex “marriage” is still illegal in Massachusetts. On November 18, 2003 the court merely ruled that it was unconstitutional not to allow it, and gave the Legislature six months to “take such action as it may deem appropriate.” Note that the Massachusetts Constitution strongly denies courts the power to make or change laws, or from ordering the other branches to take any action. The constitution effectively bans “judicial review” — a court changing or nullifying a law.

Thus, the court did not order anything to happen; it simply rendered an opinion on that specific case. And the Legislature did nothing. The marriage statutes were never changed. However, against the advice of many, Gov. Romney took it upon himself to alter the state's marriage licenses to say "Party A and Party B" and order officials to perform same-sex "weddings" if asked, though he had no legal obligation to do so. Technically, same-sex marriages are still illegal in Massachusetts.

Nevertheless, we are having to live with it. And furthermore, this abdication of their proper constitutional roles by the Legislature and Governor has caused a domino effect as "copycat" rulings have been issued in California and Connecticut, with other states fearful it will happen there.

In conclusion
Homosexual “marriage” hangs over society like a hammer with the force of law. And it's only just begun.

It's pretty clear that the homosexual movement's obsession with marriage is not because large numbers of them actually want to marry each other. Research shows that homosexual relationships are fundamentally dysfunctional on many levels, and “marriage” as we know it isn't something they can achieve, or even desire. (In fact, over the last three months, the Sunday Boston Globe's marriage section hasn't had any photos of homosexual marriages. In the beginning it was full of them.)

This is about putting the legal stamp of approval on homosexuality and imposing it with force throughout the various social and political institutions of a society that would never accept it otherwise. To the rest of America: You've been forewarned.
http://www.whoradio.com/cc-common/mainh ... le=5332402

That's just one article of things happening in one state. I could list LOTS of things that are happening to people in other states--things being FORCED on people. Yes, things are changing, a lot, and not for the better.
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Post by ageofknowledge » Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:38 am

Very true Jac3510. As Paul pointed out to the Christians living in a pagan world in Romans 8: 5-8, "For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God."

The unrepentant mind is set against God (despite their claims to the contrary) and they simply cannot please Him. Even getting them to see the damaging results of their own behavior and deceptions to themselves and others/society when the proof is right in front of them can be at times impossible for their mind is literally set against God and His standards for their behavior in enmity.

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They are deceived and unknowningly working on the side of Satan (often in the name of God). It's very messed up. Unrepentant sexual immorality must be unveiled for what it truly is and the damage it does to society.

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Post by zoegirl » Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:59 pm

Good pposts, Jac and ageof knowledge!
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Post by Harry12345 » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:41 am

The Commissioner of the Massachusetts Department of Public Health is “married” to another man.
In 2004, Governor Mitt Romney ordered Justices of the Peace to perform homosexual marriages when requested or be fired. At least one Justice of the Peace decided to resign.
In 2008 Massachusetts changed the state Medicare laws to include homosexual “married” couples in the coverage.
Boston media, particularly the Boston Globe newspaper, regularly does feature stories and news stories portraying homosexual “married” couples where regular married couples would normally be used. It's “equal”, they insist, so there must be no difference in the coverage. Also, the newspaper advice columns now deal with homosexual "marriage" issues, and how to properly accept it.
A growing number of news reporters and TV anchors are openly “married” homosexuals who march in the “gay pride” parades.
I don't see anything wrong with the above.
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Post by cslewislover » Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:32 am

I haven't heard that anything has changed in the school system here in California. The kids are taught outright from the youngest ages that homosexuality is OK. If the kids voice disagreement, they are forced to go to counseling. So, a child is not allowed to have his opinion in this matter, and obviously his parents aren't either (since if that's what the parents teach, the attempt to go against the parents' teaching is there).

So this isn't a matter of just "letting them be." I personally don't mind at all if homosexuals are allowed to have a domestic partnership. But I do very much mind that we are supposed to think like they do, to accept what they do. That is not right, and to me, goes against what this country is about.

One thing that comes with allowing same sex marriages (and, I think, domestic partnerships here) is that these couples can adopt children. I have a hard time with this; no matter how tolerant I try to think about this, my heart nags me. Since children are born from a man and woman, and this is God's plan, I think children should be raised in traditional families. If there was some odd problem and there weren't enough traditional families for children to be raised in, that would be different. But that's not what is going on here.
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Post by waynepii » Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:28 am

As it turns out, I live in Mass and all this evil-doing is news to me. Brian Camenker is fairly well-known locally as having "an agenda", and his organization (MassResistance) is listed as an "organized hate group" by the Southern Poverty Law Center (admittedly a fairly liberal organization).

I'll research some the claims and post back with whatever I find out, but it'll likely take a few days.

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Post by Harry12345 » Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:47 am

cslewislover wrote:I haven't heard that anything has changed in the school system here in California. The kids are taught outright from the youngest ages that homosexuality is OK. If the kids voice disagreement, they are forced to go to counseling. So, a child is not allowed to have his opinion in this matter, and obviously his parents aren't either (since if that's what the parents teach, the attempt to go against the parents' teaching is there).


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Post by ageofknowledge » Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:18 pm

Now that Obama has appointed a Cyberczar to control illegal activities on the internet in the USA and hate legislation like H.R. 1913 and such is winding its way into existence eventually the liberal facists will have their way and entire sections of the Bible will not be allowed to be published in this country in print or on the internet and even the thought behind a person reading or publishing certain portions of scripture can be brought, along with the thinker, into a criminal prosecution trial. Truly Orwellian, championed by the homosexual community, supported by the LEFT, and straight from the pit of hell.

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Post by Harry12345 » Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:52 am

ageofknowledge wrote:championed by the homosexual community,
What about homosexual libertarians? ;)
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Post by Byblos » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:28 am

Harry12345 wrote:
ageofknowledge wrote:championed by the homosexual community,
What about homosexual libertarians? ;)
They were usurped by cross-dressing trans-gender conservative leftists masquerading as Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich look-a-likes.
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Byblos wrote:
Harry12345 wrote:
ageofknowledge wrote:championed by the homosexual community,
What about homosexual libertarians? ;)
They were usurped by cross-dressing trans-gender conservative leftists masquerading as Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich look-a-likes.
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Post by natcat86 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:22 am

Gay people want protection under the law, in America isn't the law part of the Gov. and not of the church? I thought you guys were supposed to keep the two seperate. Gay people are fighting for their right to be equal, it has nothing to do with sex or religion. There are gay couples who do not practise anal sex. The reason they want to get married is becasue both adults are in love. I imagine the love they feel for each other is the same as the love felt by any two people in an "opposite marriage". If gay people are not married then they have as much obligation to stay together as any un-married hetrosexual coulpe. Gay people are not going to stop being gay. They can either commit to each other and play a part in society in a manogamous relationship, building on their love, being a part of society, learning all the wonderful lessons of character that monogamy brings, or they can be in the same postition as any other unmarried couple.

I dont think prop 8 is a religious issue, it just makes the church look hateful and puts no-believers on their guard. they just had 8 years of a politician who brought God into the White House felt lead by Him to start an expensive war which cost thousands of lives and billions of dollars, but he wasnt lead by the Lord to stop the financial collapes. PEople dont want church and state mixing. Also the rights of the minority should never be voted on by the majority.

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