Have we crossed the line yet?

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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by Stu » Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:50 am

More leftist madness. How many teachers and kids in schools actually think like this...


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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by Stu » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:40 am

Hey Ed, you didn't comment on the video above....

Or how about this video where tolerant leftist liberals harass, beat and chase a man merely for wearing a MAGA hat (watch at least to the 4 minute mark as this is not merely pushing around but beaten to the ground). Imagine people had done this to someone wearing an Obama or Hillary hat it would be all over CNN and other liberal media for days. And you claim this isn't widespread. Get a clue, it was a massive group of people. It seems they get more courage the more of them there are, like pack animals.





Leftists liberals have lost the plot. The people who call for tolerance are the least tolerant of different views. First amendment only counts if your views align with mine...
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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by edwardmurphy » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:09 am

Stu wrote:
Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:40 am
Hey Ed, you didn't comment on the video above....
I watched a couple of minutes of the video. It seemed like the teacher behaved inappropriately. If the rule is no hats then the rule is no hats, but the guy just kept blathering on and on. That said, I didn't have the patience to watch the whole thing because some YouTube pundit was also blathering on and on, stretching a 3 minute video into nearly 10.

Anyway, some thoughts:

Everything about Trump - his slogan, his behavior, his tweets, and all the rest - is designed to get a reaction, and Trump supporters have a tendency to pick up where Trump leaves off. The kid wore the hat to get a reaction. He deliberately provoked that entire exchange so that he could film it and post it to YouTube, so that people like you could insist that conservatives are oppressed by free speech hating liberals.

Your premise is false, but that's the dead horse that you'll apparently never stop beating and there's no way I can get you to see reason.

Oh well...
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Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:40 am
Or how about this video where tolerant leftist liberals harass, beat and chase a man merely for wearing a MAGA hat (watch at least to the 4 minute mark as this is not merely pushing around but beaten to the ground).
Simply for wearing a MAGA hat? Really, Stu? Because in the video that I saw the guy went out of his way to deliberately antagonize a group of protesters. Let me clue you in on human behavior, Stu - if you deliberately antagonize a group of angry people - any group of angry people, anywhere, ever - there's a decent chance that you'll get your ass kicked. I'm not condoning beating on the guy, but the cause and effect relationship between taunting a crowd and getting stomped by said crowd is pretty clear. I know it, you know it, and the guy in the video knew it.

Just like in your other video, that guy went out of his way to create a conflict so that he could film it and post it on YouTube, so that people like you could push the false narrative that liberals hang around in violent mobs waiting to attack innocent people for no reason whatsoever.
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Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:40 am
Imagine people had done this to someone wearing an Obama or Hillary hat it would be all over CNN and other liberal media for days. And you claim this isn't widespread. Get a clue, it was a massive group of people. It seems they get more courage the more of them there are, like pack animals.
And here's a group of Proud Boys - a newly formed White nationalist group - leaving the Metropolitan Republican Club, beating the hell out of some guy in the street, laughing and cheering about it, and then posing for a group picture to commemorate the event.



I don't recall seeing this video on CNN. FOX News did show a video of the group's founder, Gavin McInnes, brandishing a sword on a New York City street, but they falsely claimed that he was a liberal protester.

So what was your point again...?
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Leftists liberals have lost the plot. The people who call for tolerance are the least tolerant of different views. First amendment only counts if your views align with mine...
Sure, Stu. Whatever you say.
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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by Storyteller » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:44 pm

I have been following this, there are some interesting things going on here.

Personally, i think Trump is an idiot.


Ed... I was gonna pm you to say this but somehow feel compelled to say it here. I think youre presenting your point of veiw eloquently, factually and well.
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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by RickD » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:07 pm

Storyteller wrote:
Personally, i think Trump is an idiot.
That's inaccurate. Trump's IQ is 156. Just ask him, he'll tell you.
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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by Philip » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:16 pm

But I don't think strategically minded Democrats truly want to impeach him 2 years out from the next presidential election - cause that would mean (hopefully) a far more sober Pence, who would be a far favorable contrast to most across the heartland - that is, as opposed to both Trump and any of the very liberal (is there another type?) Democratic contenders. The Democrats best chance at winning the presidency is to use Trump as a whipping boy over his final two years and then hope the economy tanks. The Clintons are toast! Uncle Joe Biden - way too old. The socialists like Bernard - way too old, and WAY too far left!
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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by edwardmurphy » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:49 pm

The impeachment issue is tricky.

On the one hand, I think you're right - people like Nancy Pelosi absolutely do not want to start impeachment proceedings. Trump's antics cost the GOP the House, despite some pretty expansive gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts and a boom economy. They increased their lead a bit in the Senate, but not nearly as much as they should have. And the big shift that made it all happen is that educated, suburban voters - people who often support GOP candidates - turned their backs on Trump's party in November. Pelosi's an intelligent woman. She knows that Trump is a millstone chained around the Republican Party's neck, and she knows it's likely to get worse for them. In fact, the House Democrats can make it a lot worse with subpoenas and public hearings. The days of Devin Nunes and Trey Gowdy protecting the President from the House are over. In short, Trump is in a lot of trouble already, and that's with a strong economy. The market won't boom forever, the trade war is likely to do damage, and eventually people are going to notice that the Republicans are engaged in some massive deficit spending.

On the other hand, Roger Stone is apparently going to plead the 5th in front of a Senate committee, Michael Flynn is reported to have been a great witness in an ongoing criminal investigation, Paul Manafort was caught sharing info with Trump's legal team, and Michael Cohen just told the world that Trump was working on business deals with Russia well past the time he said that he'd stopped. That last one means that everyone in Trump's orbit who said otherwise to Congress or the FBI is in a dilly of a pickle now, although none of those things were good news for Team Trump. Then there's Trump's behavior. Every time he tweets about pardons it looks like obstruction of justice and/or witness tampering (because that's clearly his intent), and the more the dominoes fall the more Trump acts like he's guilty of something. It's completely possible that something will come to light that's so egregious that the Democrats have no choice but to impeach. That's really, really risky for them.

Then again, at that point it will be Senate Republicans trying to decide what they can get away with. That's got potential to be pretty risky for the GOP's long term prospects.

So buckle up, I guess. This [poop] show is gonna get worse before it gets better.
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Re: Have we crossed the line yet?

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Post by Philip » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:32 am

Ed: eventually people are going to notice that the Republicans are engaged in some massive deficit spending.
THIS is the one thing everyone of every political leaning should be exceptionally concerned about. It's very dangerous - a ticking time bomb! No person, entity, business, or government can continue to spend more than their inflow - there is a limit to what a house of (credit) cards can support.

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