Sorry, DB, you are not answering my question about information. You state a lot of things that I don't think are correct but we have to clear the simple things before continuing to the more complex.DBowling wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 3:41 pmGenetic replication is a function of existing genetic code.Nils wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:37 pmA beneficial mutation is not the same thing as new information, but the message that a specific mutation is beneficial is a new piece of information (new if the receiver of the information didn't know this before).DBowling wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 4:22 amBut again back to the point I was making, a beneficial mutation is not the same thing as new information.
If you don't think that this is a piece of information, please explain why (ie what is your point?)
Genetic replication allows for a limited amount of variation to occur within the existing genetic code.
However genetic replication is incapable of creating new functionality or new information (ie... meaningful non-random structure and organization).
It is only able to replicate existing functionality that is already inherent to the existing genetic code.
So getting back to the discussion in the thread.
If genetic replication is a function of existing information in the genetic code.
The question at hand is...
What is the source of the genetic code that enables the genetic replication?
The answer is...
Whatever, created the genetic code that enables the replication in the first place.
And the only known causal agent that has been observed to be capable of producing code of any type is intelligence.
Random mutation and natural selection have most often been observed to propagate deletions of genetic code.
But to the best of my knowledge, random mutation and natural selection have never been observed to generate new information (ie... meaningful non-random structure and organization) or new code and new functionality.
Random mutation and natural selection are only able to replicate preexisting genetic code and introduce limited random (not meaningful, organized or structured) variation within a limited scope.
To clarify, if I ask you what weather it's outside and you answer that it's raining I get a piece of information. It resolves my uncertainty about the weather. If the probability is 1 in 4 that it rains the information is log2 (4/1) =2 bits. If I ask if there is a full moon today the information is log2(28/1) which is about 5 bits. If I ask if a mutation at a specific position in the genetic code is beneficial and the probability that it is beneficial is 1 in 128 the information in the message "it is beneficial" is log2 (128/1)= 7 bits.
Agree so far?