B. W. wrote:Here is something to consider...
A man after God's own heart as the bible reveals...
Did God shun King David?
I think both Jac and Kurieuo, in particular, have brung up some valid points reflecting different sides of the same coin.
As for King David, you are right. God didn't shun him because King David was repentant.
But lets not forget the pretty harsh words of Nathan that made King David realise exactly what he had done. Or the heart breaking concequences.
At least some non Christians seem to get confused about God. Is He like the 'mean, cruel, angry' God from the OT or like the 'gentle lamb' Jesus in the NT?
I think the real issue here is of eyes being open to the seriousness of sin, the grace of God, and the fallen state of humanity.
That is the point. You said it so nicely Nessa!
It is all about how God's mercy changes the heart. King David lived a repentant life before God. He was chastened by God, openly, and always changed.
However, when God's mercy is gamed in a manner that shuns or neglects all aspects of heart felt repentance, then one shuns a fellow believer for their own good in order for such to return to the Lord. The Apostle Paul recorded this practice in the books of Corinthians in dealing with one individual. Read about it on your own sometime.
My experience with this is this:
I have no real issues with the average Christian who is struggling with sin as they admit shortcomings and desire a change. They are willing to change but struggle due to a variety of personal issues and wounds from his or her past that causes their issues. Like King David, their minds change and actions too in due time and they overcome their issues as they are healed from life's hurts in the process.
However, I have more issues with the super saints. For example, like the person I had to cut from a ministry team due to pride - religious pride. He viewed himself as God's general sent to correct the church the error of her ways. He was the authority and all must follow him to the promise land. In other words, a modern day pharisee / scribe type. The kind that put themselves into positions of power in the church.
This man's ego/pride was extreme as it was sanctimoniously religiously pious. He would brow beat Christians because he knew best God's will and ways. I find these folks a dime a dozen and so unrepentant as they view themselves morally and so spiritually superior. Of these types of folks, are, maybe, whom Jesus spoke about coming to him boasting of their great deeds and he in turn says to them, "Depart from me you workers of iniquity."
These are the folks that hurt others in churches and make a bad witness for Jesus Christ. The Bible is clear:
1 Co 6:9-11, "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God
Notice revilers and it means: in Greek as well as in English as found on Dictionary.com this: to assail with contemptuous or opprobrious language; address or speak of abusively.
Also notice the word covetous in the text as well too. The man I cut from ministry teams was covetous of position, glory, control, pride, etc and refused to see his motives as they really were in order to change. The word drunkards too can also apply to those drunk with religious power-control trips. However those drunk do not see themselves as such or in any need of healing.
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is discernment of spirits. We all need this empowerment from on high to guide us daily. Those mentioned in 1 Co 6:9-10 are a proud lot, unwilling to to be corrected by the Lord and healed of their wounds of the heart. Yet, as verse 11 mentions:
"And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God
." 1 Co 6:11 NKJV
We are to live repentant before God and surly his Grace will lead you home changing you out of darkness into his Light. A change of mind without action is no change of mind at all. There is not one of us worthy for God's Kingdom. We all are a sorry lot.
It is By God's Grace alone that teaches us how to say No and deny ungodliness and By His grace He will lead us home as the song Amazing Grace reveals. The Lord desires a willing heart to change from the errors of sin. For those with such willingness to admit wrong and become changed throughout mortal life on earth by God's Grace find whom they belong too and the how to demonstrate the grace they so received to others.
I appreciate K's writing of his journey as that shows how God's Grace works. I trust the Lord to work in the hearts of men and women more than I do man's interloping.
We all will come across the proud religious types and those proud to abuse grace to remain in sins dysfunction; therefore, we need that empowerment daily of the gift of discernment to know what to do and how treat other's on their journey.
I find it interesting the Jesus himself called forth sinners out of sin and they came and found healing but the vast majority of religious pharisees refused to come to Jesus at all. The woman at the well, in a sinful condition helped lead an entire town to Jesus and became a new person because of it while the religious folks tried to stop such things like that from happening.
Thank God for God's Grace!
There is a time and season for every purpose under heaven i.e. a context we need to discern. There is a time to cast away away and not to cast away. Let's be wise about the time by the Holy Spirit's gift of discernment along with His wisdom.