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Do you believe a Christian can have a philosophical faith?

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Post by Jonouchi Katsuya » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:10 am

Do you believe it's possible for a person to have a philosophical faith or non-theistic faith, like Buddhism or Shinto, and still be accepted as a Christian? In both of these faiths, having faith in a different God like Christianity's is perfectly fine. Does it work both ways, or do you believe a person can only be Christian? Isn't the only real requirement that you accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior? Why should any benevolent belief beyond that be barred?
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Post by B. W. » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:26 am

Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:Do you believe it's possible for a person to have a philosophical faith or non-theistic faith, like Buddhism or Shinto, and still be accepted as a Christian? In both of these faiths, having faith in a different God like Christianity's is perfectly fine. Does it work both ways, or do you believe a person can only be Christian? Isn't the only real requirement that you accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior? Why should any benevolent belief beyond that be barred?
I opened this thread a few days ago concerning philosophy of Faith

http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... 19&t=36152

Might want to post your questiont there...
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Post by Jonouchi Katsuya » Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:42 am

B. W. wrote:
Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:Do you believe it's possible for a person to have a philosophical faith or non-theistic faith, like Buddhism or Shinto, and still be accepted as a Christian? In both of these faiths, having faith in a different God like Christianity's is perfectly fine. Does it work both ways, or do you believe a person can only be Christian? Isn't the only real requirement that you accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior? Why should any benevolent belief beyond that be barred?
I opened this thread a few days ago concerning philosophy of Faith

http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... 19&t=36152

Might want to post your questiont there...
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I didn't mean the philosophy of faith, but rather a philosophical faith like Buddhism. I'm basically asking if you believe a Christian can also be Buddhist or Shinto and not be violating any part of their Christian faith.
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Post by Proinsias » Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:50 am

Sister/Roshi Elaine MacInnes might be of interest. I've heard good things about her book Zen Contemplation for Christians but never got around to reading it. A Catholic Nun who is also the only Canadian to hold the title of Roshi, a Zen master.

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Jonouchi Katsuya wrote: I'm basically asking if you believe a Christian can also be Buddhist or Shinto and not be violating any part of their Christian faith.
Such a person would not be a Christian. He may call himself a Christian but he would be worshipping another god as well as God.
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Post by Jonouchi Katsuya » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:56 pm

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
Jonouchi Katsuya wrote: I'm basically asking if you believe a Christian can also be Buddhist or Shinto and not be violating any part of their Christian faith.
Such a person would not be a Christian. He may call himself a Christian but he would be worshipping another god as well as God.
There are no other gods in these religions.
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Post by Danieltwotwenty » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:12 pm

Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:
Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
Jonouchi Katsuya wrote: I'm basically asking if you believe a Christian can also be Buddhist or Shinto and not be violating any part of their Christian faith.
Such a person would not be a Christian. He may call himself a Christian but he would be worshipping another god as well as God.
There are no other gods in these religions.
tell me how your could be buddist and beleive in Karma and rebirth (re-incarnation) and be Christain at the same time, when the belief's are in direct contradiction with each other?
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Post by Jonouchi Katsuya » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:27 pm

Danieltwotwenty wrote:
Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:
Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
Jonouchi Katsuya wrote: I'm basically asking if you believe a Christian can also be Buddhist or Shinto and not be violating any part of their Christian faith.
Such a person would not be a Christian. He may call himself a Christian but he would be worshipping another god as well as God.
There are no other gods in these religions.
tell me how your could be buddist and beleive in Karma and rebirth (re-incarnation) and be Christain at the same time, when the belief's are in direct contradiction with each other?
The Dali Lama doesn't even believe in reincarnation. Karma is like good deeds and bad deeds- the measure of a man or woman. What goes around comes around is not against God. Knowing the Earth/God will take care of people with bad Karma from doing bad deeds- is not against Christianity.

And sure we can all go to the kingdom of heaven, but there is nothing that says how many lives we live till we get there. Our soul is eternal anyway. There are many sects of Christianity that believe animals have souls.

And Jesus is supposed to come back. It could be through reincarnation. Who knows. Only God.
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Post by MarcusOfLycia » Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:33 pm

Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:
Danieltwotwenty wrote:
Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:
Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
Jonouchi Katsuya wrote: I'm basically asking if you believe a Christian can also be Buddhist or Shinto and not be violating any part of their Christian faith.
Such a person would not be a Christian. He may call himself a Christian but he would be worshipping another god as well as God.
There are no other gods in these religions.
tell me how your could be buddist and beleive in Karma and rebirth (re-incarnation) and be Christain at the same time, when the belief's are in direct contradiction with each other?
The Dali Lama doesn't even believe in reincarnation. Karma is like good deeds and bad deeds- the measure of a man or woman. What goes around comes around is not against God. Knowing the Earth/God will take care of people with bad Karma from doing bad deeds- is not against Christianity.

And sure we can all go to the kingdom of heaven, but there is nothing that says how many lives we live till we get there. Our soul is eternal anyway. There are many sects of Christianity that believe animals have souls.

And Jesus is supposed to come back. It could be through reincarnation. Who knows. Only God.
That's even more opposed to Christianity. Trust me that I don't know anyone (even moreso myself) that deserves 'good' based on what I've/they've done. We're all terrible people. Our thoughts, actions, words, everything is so often directed at hurting others and ourselves any goodness we do just seems to be done selfishly. If 'karma' is the rule of the universe, hell is way too good an option for human beings like myself. Thank God for His Son. And I hope God can open the eyes of people who think they can work their way into goodness. That self-reliance is the blindness that prevents real transformation.
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Post by CeT-To » Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:11 pm

Great post Marcus :clap: As the Lord said John 15:5 - ""I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing."
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Post by B. W. » Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:18 pm

Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:
B. W. wrote:
Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:Do you believe it's possible for a person to have a philosophical faith or non-theistic faith, like Buddhism or Shinto, and still be accepted as a Christian? In both of these faiths, having faith in a different God like Christianity's is perfectly fine. Does it work both ways, or do you believe a person can only be Christian? Isn't the only real requirement that you accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior? Why should any benevolent belief beyond that be barred?
I opened this thread a few days ago concerning philosophy of Faith

http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... 19&t=36152

Might want to post your questiont there...
I didn't mean the philosophy of faith, but rather a philosophical faith like Buddhism. I'm basically asking if you believe a Christian can also be Buddhist or Shinto and not be violating any part of their Christian faith.
On the contrary - the thread is discussing faith in general - so far on that thread we are approaching two points - one can have faith in works to achieve balance, karma, or whatever...etc...

Or you can faith in God's in what he does and did...

Everyone has a philosophy of faith...
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Post by MarcusOfLycia » Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:48 pm

CeT-To wrote:Great post Marcus :clap: As the Lord said John 15:5 - ""I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing."
I'm being reminded more and more every day just how little I can do apart from Him... not been the best couple of weeks, but its just hammering that essential point more and more so I definitely can't complain.
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Post by Jonouchi Katsuya » Mon Aug 15, 2011 3:52 am

That's even more opposed to Christianity. Trust me that I don't know anyone (even moreso myself) that deserves 'good' based on what I've/they've done. We're all terrible people. Our thoughts, actions, words, everything is so often directed at hurting others and ourselves any goodness we do just seems to be done selfishly. If 'karma' is the rule of the universe, hell is way too good an option for human beings like myself. Thank God for His Son. And I hope God can open the eyes of people who think they can work their way into goodness. That self-reliance is the blindness that prevents real transformation.
Christianity is opposed to people doing anything at all for themselves or others?[/quote]

So... no one should do anything but sit in their room and pray till they die of starvation unless God himself spoon feeds you or makes your belly filled with food without you even so much as having to chew and you will live on only his glory and that is all?

I always thought that proving yourself worthy of being present in heaven was part of the goal...
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Post by Furstentum Liechtenstein » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:02 am

Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:There are no other gods in these religions.
I am aware that some forms of Buddhism are without a god. I was addressing your question ''Do you believe a Christian can have a philosophical faith?'' The Bible is quite clear in that philosophy is vain, worldly wisdom, foolishness and so on. Therefore, ''philosophical faith'' is an oxymoron from God's perspective.
Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:I always thought that proving yourself worthy of being present in heaven was part of the goal...
Apart from God, no one is worthy of being present in heaven. No one. Therefore, it is impossible to work your way into heaven.
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Post by Jonouchi Katsuya » Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:24 am

Furstentum Liechtenstein wrote:
Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:There are no other gods in these religions.
I am aware that some forms of Buddhism are without a god. I was addressing your question ''Do you believe a can have a philosophical faith?'' The Bible is quite clear in that philosophy is vain, worldly wisdom, foolishness and so on. Therefore, ''philosophical faith'' is an oxymoron from God's perspective.
Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:I always thought that proving yourself worthy of being present in heaven was part of the goal...
Apart from God, no one is worthy of being present in heaven. No one. Therefore, it is impossible to work your way into heaven.
Then what is the point? :?
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