How do you Know There is Only one God as Opposed to Many?

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How do you Know There is Only one God as Opposed to Many?

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Post by Jonouchi Katsuya » Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:26 pm

Besides using the Bible as proof, how do you know there is only one God as opposed to many Gods?

This question was just asked to me by curious friends... and now I am actually thinking- Well, what if? (But I am allowed to because I am not Christian).
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Re: How do you Know There is Only one God as Opposed to Many

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Post by B. W. » Sat Aug 13, 2011 9:50 pm

Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:Besides using the Bible as proof, how do you know there is only one God as opposed to many Gods?

This question was just asked to me by curious friends... and now I am actually thinking- Well, what if? (But I am allowed to because I am not Christian).
Because a God who can create the entire universe and life must have to be beyond our means of understanding - therefore God would be unlike any form of one we can think of or image.

Next, have you ever tried to create or make something with more than one person, just getting people to come to one meeting is a challenge, then add in others personal egos. No, there had to be only one God, or creation would never have left the committee stages and the universe would still be without form and void…

Think about it…
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Re: How do you Know There is Only one God as Opposed to Many

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Post by Jonouchi Katsuya » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:23 pm

B. W. wrote:
Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:Besides using the Bible as proof, how do you know there is only one God as opposed to many Gods?

This question was just asked to me by curious friends... and now I am actually thinking- Well, what if? (But I am allowed to because I am not Christian).
Because a God who can create the entire universe and life must have to be beyond our means of understanding - therefore God would be unlike any form of one we can think of or image.

Next, have you ever tried to create or make something with more than one person, just getting people to come to one meeting is a challenge, then add in others personal egos. No, there had to be only one God, or creation would never have left the committee stages and the universe would still be without form and void…

Think about it…
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(I am at a sleep over)

Do you know of any significant science project or experiment behind which there is only one person?

Do you know how many people made the Bible?

Most if not all of the best things we know are a result of the collaboration of many- not the few or singular. Almost never a single person.

And weren't WE created in God's image?

"Fortunately whatever Gods there may or may not be are not high school students."- my friend.

I am actually curious if you can justify my belief in only one God. Because I can't seem to do it.
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Re: How do you Know There is Only one God as Opposed to Many

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Post by B. W. » Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:37 pm

Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:
B. W. wrote:
Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:Besides using the Bible as proof, how do you know there is only one God as opposed to many Gods?

This question was just asked to me by curious friends... and now I am actually thinking- Well, what if? (But I am allowed to because I am not Christian).
Because a God who can create the entire universe and life must have to be beyond our means of understanding - therefore God would be unlike any form of one we can think of or image.

Next, have you ever tried to create or make something with more than one person, just getting people to come to one meeting is a challenge, then add in others personal egos. No, there had to be only one God, or creation would never have left the committee stages and the universe would still be without form and void…

Think about it…
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(I am at a sleep over)

Do you know of any significant science project or experiment behind which there is only one person?

Do you know how many people made the Bible?

Most if not all of the best things we know are a result of the collaboration of many- not the few or singular. Almost never a single person.

And weren't WE created in God's image?

"Fortunately whatever Gods there may or may not be are not high school students."- my friend.

I am actually curious if you can justify my belief in only one God. Because I can't seem to do it.
Thomas Edison had an idea and acted upon that idea: the Light bulb.

Pavlo thought of ringing a bell... He had an idea.

You have ideas - are you one person?

God had an idea - not everyone has the same idea nor same attention to detials as one person has - so why not God be one then?
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Re: How do you Know There is Only one God as Opposed to Many

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Post by eric246 » Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:36 am

Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:Besides using the Bible as proof
That's like saying "How do you know there are 7 continents, without using a map as proof" (granted, you would have had to never learned about geography before as well, lol)

Main point is, the Bible tells us that God is all powerful and all knowing, so he isn't limited to the small amount knowledge we have. Just because we are created in his image, doesn't mean we are like him. I might create a sculpture in my image, but the sculpture is made of clay and of a giraffe. When you create something, it does not have to be like yourself, the same way that if I create a sculpture, it is not made of flesh or able to think. The bible only talks about one God, and since that is our scripture, I take it as the word of God. If the bible mentioned multiple Gods, then it would be different, but it doesn't.

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Post by Jonouchi Katsuya » Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:50 am

B. W. wrote:
Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:
B. W. wrote:
Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:Besides using the Bible as proof, how do you know there is only one God as opposed to many Gods?

This question was just asked to me by curious friends... and now I am actually thinking- Well, what if? (But I am allowed to because I am not Christian).
Because a God who can create the entire universe and life must have to be beyond our means of understanding - therefore God would be unlike any form of one we can think of or image.

Next, have you ever tried to create or make something with more than one person, just getting people to come to one meeting is a challenge, then add in others personal egos. No, there had to be only one God, or creation would never have left the committee stages and the universe would still be without form and void…

Think about it…
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(I am at a sleep over)

Do you know of any significant science project or experiment behind which there is only one person?

Do you know how many people made the Bible?

Most if not all of the best things we know are a result of the collaboration of many- not the few or singular. Almost never a single person.

And weren't WE created in God's image?

"Fortunately whatever Gods there may or may not be are not high school students."- my friend.

I am actually curious if you can justify my belief in only one God. Because I can't seem to do it.
Thomas Edison had an idea and acted upon that idea: the Light bulb.

Pavlo thought of ringing a bell... He had an idea.

You have ideas - are you one person?

God had an idea - not everyone has the same idea nor same attention to detials as one person has - so why not God be one then?
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You haven't heard of Tesla, have you? He invented the coil - the power system that the light bulb needed in order to even work. Edison slandered it, and then we got the light bulb. Not exactly an ideal form of teamwork, but it took more than one person. There's the people who made the glass, the type of metal that went into the inner pieces - please don't discount them. They were fully a part of that invention.
Yes, one person has an idea, and then other people help that one person to bring that idea into reality. Other people contribute their own ideas to that idea to make it into one grand idea. People often form their ideas when inspired by others - I don't know anyone who has lived their entire life in solitude and had the mental capacity to come up with any sort of complex idea. Sure, you can use the excuse that this is a divine being that we are speaking of, but even perfection needs companionship. What of the eternity this supposed 'one God' would have spent alone? I just find the concept of multiple gods to be more logical in this respect.
I guess that was a little off topic there. My main point is that should there be any sort of high power, you can't prove that it doesn't take the form of multiple gods over one god. God is referred to by multiple names in the Bible, so why couldn't they perhaps refer to separate entities? They act completely different depending on the name, so perhaps man got it wrong when writing the Bible. We all know man isn't infallible. Not to mention that there are so many different translations that you can't be sure that any of them are accurate or not manipulated by man. It may be called the Word of God, but it is the Word through man.

-This came from my friends.
I find that what they're saying kind of makes sense.
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Re: How do you Know There is Only one God as Opposed to Many

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Post by Jonouchi Katsuya » Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:58 am

eric246 wrote:
Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:Besides using the Bible as proof
That's like saying "How do you know there are 7 continents, without using a map as proof" (granted, you would have had to never learned about geography before as well, lol)

Main point is, the Bible tells us that God is all powerful and all knowing, so he isn't limited to the small amount knowledge we have. Just because we are created in his image, doesn't mean we are like him. I might create a sculpture in my image, but the sculpture is made of clay and of a giraffe. When you create something, it does not have to be like yourself, the same way that if I create a sculpture, it is not made of flesh or able to think. The bible only talks about one God, and since that is our scripture, I take it as the word of God. If the bible mentioned multiple Gods, then it would be different, but it doesn't.
The first one is easy - physical proof. The continents are a physical thing, so you can easily (although not exactly cheaply) prove how many there are. But that's neither here nor there.

Like I just said to a previous poster, God is known by many names in the Bible, so why couldn't they be multiple entities? They all seem different from one another - it could explain the vast personality changes from one book to the next. Otherwise, this perfect god seems kind of like a bipolar teenager. If they're all separate gods with their own personalities and functions, it's easier to believe that they are perfect in their own ways. If this is one being, his perfection is questionable. I see this as the fallacy of man who cannot understand the greatness of the supreme beings, and so they all blended into one. It's why man fails. So should I put my faith in a thousand year old book written by men whose connections to god are unknown, or put my faith in my own feelings about God or Gods?
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Post by B. W. » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:42 am

One person had an idea, from that idea created, others came to help.

That is the principle at play here.

One God made the universe, created beings to help tend to it. Same principle.

Look around, see the universe, the earth, animals, reptiles, insects, how vast the universe is, there is your evidence that one God exist. You can accept it or reject it and in your either acceptance or rejection is evidence of one God’s justice and love – his being just and loving all sufficient enough to respect your decision.

Telsa could not accept Edison and when multiple of creators are involved – no such respect is shared – even with the invention and patent of the phone, competing personalities did not share love for one another. Multiple creators would be trying to outdo each other.

You still have the principle intact though: one creator of an invention, who then acquires others to help with the invention in various ways.

Thus, for the universe, one God created and then designed lesser beings to help tend to it. The human sphere is limited to our earth.
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Post by Jonouchi Katsuya » Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:36 am

B. W. wrote:One person had an idea, from that idea created, others came to help.

That is the principle at play here.

One God made the universe, created beings to help tend to it. Same principle.

Look around, see the universe, the earth, animals, reptiles, insects, how vast the universe is, there is your evidence that one God exist. You can accept it or reject it and in your either acceptance or rejection is evidence of one God’s justice and love – his being just and loving all sufficient enough to respect your decision.

Telsa could not accept Edison and when multiple of creators are involved – no such respect is shared – even with the invention and patent of the phone, competing personalities did not share love for one another. Multiple creators would be trying to outdo each other.

You still have the principle intact though: one creator of an invention, who then acquires others to help with the invention in various ways.

Thus, for the universe, one God created and then designed lesser beings to help tend to it. The human sphere is limited to our earth.
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Prove to my friends that it wasn't two Gods instead of one. You are arguing as if my friends are saying there are no Gods not many. They don't deny that a God could create or rather did create Earth, but they are arguing what if he has help from another God. Or work together equally because they are above petty human arguments.

By saying God couldn't cooperate with another God... you are saying he or she has a human personality flaw.
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Post by DannyM » Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:02 pm

Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:Prove to my friends that it wasn't two Gods instead of one.
We follow the Bible. The Bible says, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”
By saying God couldn't cooperate with another God... you are saying he or she has a human personality flaw.
No. It is YOU who is saying this. It’s telling that you would ascribe a “human personality flaw” to God using your own flawed human limitations. You are essentially arguing in a circle.

Tell me, why would God want or need a helping hand?
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Post by Jonouchi Katsuya » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:43 pm

DannyM wrote:
Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:Prove to my friends that it wasn't two Gods instead of one.
We follow the Bible. The Bible says, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”
By saying God couldn't cooperate with another God... you are saying he or she has a human personality flaw.
No. It is YOU who is saying this. It’s telling that you would ascribe a “human personality flaw” to God using your own flawed human limitations. You are essentially arguing in a circle.

Tell me, why would God want or need a helping hand?
And the Bible was written by people. It is thus flawed.

Why would he not? How would God decide to create the earth with no other influence around him?
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Post by Danieltwotwenty » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:45 pm

Please point out exactly where the Bible is flawed, it may have been penned by man but it was devinely inspired.
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Post by Jonouchi Katsuya » Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:53 pm

Danieltwotwenty wrote:Please point out exactly where the Bible is flawed, it may have been penned by man but it was devinely inspired.
The fact that MAN was translating God's word. That is how. And many books of the Bible were left out. Why? Obviously the Bible is very incomplete. And certain stories were not even supposed to be in the Bible... yet there they were. The story of Noah was a stolen story.

How can it be God's word... when stuff was left out, other stuff was added in- who is to say that some of God's words weren't important and others were... I would think they would all be important, thus should all be included?

Science says that the Earth is older than the Moon. History says... no slavery in Egypt. And that King Harrid, didn't really kill all the babies to try and kill the new king (Jesus). And that, that story was fabricated to just add effect to how bad Harrid was. He was pretty bad... but he didn't do that.

So yes... the Bible was compiled by man and man who had different beliefs and ways of living than we do now.
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Post by eric246 » Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:56 pm

Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:
Danieltwotwenty wrote:Please point out exactly where the Bible is flawed, it may have been penned by man but it was devinely inspired.
The fact that MAN was translating God's word. That is how. And many books of the Bible were left out. Why? Obviously the Bible is very incomplete. And certain stories were not even supposed to be in the Bible... yet there they were. The story of Noah was a stolen story.

How can it be God's word... when stuff was left out, other stuff was added in- who is to say that some of God's words weren't important and others were... I would think they would all be important, thus should all be included?

Science says that the Earth is older than the Moon. History says... no slavery in Egypt. And that King Harrid, didn't really kill all the babies to try and kill the new king (Jesus). And that, that story was fabricated to just add effect to how bad Harrid was. He was pretty bad... but he didn't do that.

So yes... the Bible was compiled by man and man who had different beliefs and ways of living than we do now.
I would like to see your sources for many books being left out of the bible, and the story of Noah being stolen. Who was it stolen from and why?

It is God's word because God was writing through them. What happens after that, such as how God's word is put together or viewed upon by humans, is up to humanity. If someone gives you 10 dollars to put to good use, and you buy alcohol and get drunk, that is not the person who gave you the money with good intentions fault.

Again, I would like to see your sources for all these things you are stating.

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Post by B. W. » Sun Aug 14, 2011 9:31 pm

Jonouchi Katsuya wrote:
B. W. wrote:One person had an idea, from that idea created, others came to help.

That is the principle at play here.

One God made the universe, created beings to help tend to it. Same principle.

Look around, see the universe, the earth, animals, reptiles, insects, how vast the universe is, there is your evidence that one God exist. You can accept it or reject it and in your either acceptance or rejection is evidence of one God’s justice and love – his being just and loving all sufficient enough to respect your decision.

Telsa could not accept Edison and when multiple of creators are involved – no such respect is shared – even with the invention and patent of the phone, competing personalities did not share love for one another. Multiple creators would be trying to outdo each other.

You still have the principle intact though: one creator of an invention, who then acquires others to help with the invention in various ways.

Thus, for the universe, one God created and then designed lesser beings to help tend to it. The human sphere is limited to our earth.
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Prove to my friends that it wasn't two Gods instead of one. You are arguing as if my friends are saying there are no Gods not many. They don't deny that a God could create or rather did create Earth, but they are arguing what if he has help from another God. Or work together equally because they are above petty human arguments.

By saying God couldn't cooperate with another God... you are saying he or she has a human personality flaw.

The proof you'll discover the monment you die and leave this mortal plain and enter the eternal. Then you'll see for yourself one God who created it all.

Again - one God is all that is needed to create all things - not many, one day you will discover this is true... God has no need to create other gods but he did design angelic beings and us to tend to things in this universe. He did not make us gods, did he? Nor are the angels gods either... They are cartakers and tend things entrusted into their care.

Hindu's believe in many gods, some are evil and a few are good. They have various human traites as well which by the way infroms that if there were others gods around creating the universe then the plans for creation would have never left the planning stages. Why, because, no gods could agree who would be in charge of it all as fickle as hindu or greek gods were told to be in order to appease...

Read Justin Martyr sometime soon... he spoke grat length about this...
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