Thanks for replying back to me.
Gman wrote:I'm sorry, but I disagree. The Koran and the New Testament are not the same..
Thats fine i guess.
Gman wrote:That's the whole problem. The Koran states that Jesus was only a prophet, not the Son of God... The New Testament tells us the complete opposite.. 2 Corinthians 1:19. The Koran and the New Testament are in conflict..
But Koran was never edited since Prophet Mohamed unlike the bible. but i don't see how that is the problem, if the God is the same. notice that even though Koran said that Jesus is not son of God, it still praised him, and it did NOT say that Mohamed is the son of God.
Gman wrote:But does that make it right?
Yes it does, if it can prove things that was just discovered, 1400 years ago, so yes i guess it does.
Gman wrote:I would say that the God of the Koran and the God of the Bible are very different. The Koran is a works based faith, where you have to work for your salvation such as the 5 pillars of faith. Christianity is different. Christianity is a faith based religion where it is by faith "alone" that get's you saved.. In other words, you CANNOT work for your salvation. Goods works are simply the bi-product of faith.
You got a point here, but. say your God asked you to pray for him 5 times a day. is he not worth it? no, he IS worth it, and alot more. if you pray for him your whole life, you would be still far away from being completely thankful for all what he have done for you. Also, The other pillars of faith. like " Al Zaka " Where you give a little of your money to the poor. isn't that great? and if you CANT, you don't have to. same for Visiting Mekka, it forgives and erase all your past and future sins, and still if you are not able to afford it, you don't have to.
Gman wrote:I disagree... The Koran tells it's follower to kill the infidels. Surah's 2:191, 2:193, 8:39, 9:29.
I believe you don't want to accept Koran at all, that's why you try to find points where it says that it is a bloody religion, as if that will make you feel better.
2:191. Read the aya before it and after it, they are all connected. It says And fight in the name of God " Those who fight you "
but do not transgress limits; for Alaah loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the sacred mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. such is the reward of those who suppress faith.But if they cease, Allah is oft forgiving, most merciful.
2:193 Is the completition for the above. and follows it saying " The prohibited month for the prohibited month, and so for all things prohibited, there is the law of equality. if then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. but fear Allah, and know that Alaah is with those who restrain themselves.
8:39 " And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Alaah doth see all that they do.
" And the other phrases around it is related as well.
9:29 " - Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Alaah and his Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of truth, (even if they are) of the people of the book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission. "
Notice that Christians are not even considered Infidels. and whenever Muslims entered a country, they never destroyed the Churches, they left it, and gave Christians all their rights. the Jizya is something like a tax, for protecting them. So in the above you see that Koran is full of mercy and forgiveness and its not like what you think. and there is a lot other parts where it shows as much beauty in forgiveness and morals as in the bible itself.
Also notice that Islam says never, NEVER kill elders,kids or women in war. dont destroy houses or burn trees. what is more peaceful that that even at war?
Gman wrote:Ah, not really. There are verses in the Koran that tells it's followers to take over all the other faiths.. Complete domination..
But i just quoted a sura in my first reply saying that everyone is free to pick their religion? that's contradicting here.
Gman wrote:Where in the Koran does it ever say to love your neighbor as yourself? As a commandment?
it says. and also Mohamed Peace upon him said also.
The Prophet (Pbuh) is quoted by his wife Ayesha, as saying: “Gabriel has continued to strongly recommend me to be kind to my neighbor until I thought that he would make him among my heirs.” (Related by Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Malik and others). This Hadith which has been widely reported, in different chains of reporting, is highly significant. Moreover, it is phrased in a way which leaves no doubt where the order to be kind to neighbors comes from. It is Gabriel, the angel, who is recommending the Prophet to take such an attitude to his neighbors. Gabriel, as an angel, does not initiate anything from himself. He simply carries a message from Allah to His Prophet and conveys it in its entirety. Allah describes angels in the Quran as creatures who do not disobey Allah whatever He bids them, and they do what they are bid. (66:6) So, when Gabriel makes a recommendation to the Prophet, he simply conveys to him what Allah wants him to convey. That recommendation is, then, an order given by Allah.
Also Mohamed had a Jewish neighbor that kept throwing trash in front his house everyday, but Mohamed didn't do anything and just kept removing the trash everyday, till one day he didn't find the trash, so he asked about the Jew, so they told him he is sick. so he went and visited him and hoped for him to get better.
Gman wrote:There would be no wars if there wasn't such a focus on Israel. That is ultimately where the problem lies although there are others..
True, but still. you have no idea how many wars middle east went through. Britannia, France,Italy,Spain, Germany, they all raided over the middle east over and over, and even in the little times where the countries had their independence, they made sure the governors were corrupt to assure their own benefits. and out of Israel, there is Iraq. if US' only problem was terrorism (well, you never call the slaughters England did at Egypt and Algeria terrorism uh, and the bombing Israel does to the armless people) then, it would have gone out straight after they have took down Saddam.
Israel is not peaceful, proof is that it raided Egypt, and Jordon, And Lebanon. does that sound peaceful? but Palestine is the only country it succeeded to take over, so in time we came to believe that this is Israel, not Palestine. but then, do you think Palestinian people even want Israel to leave ? no they just want to have a small share of land where they can live in peace, but Israel is not helping much. i don't hate Jews, don't get me wrong, i have like over 10 Jewish friends who i love very much and would do anything for them. religion doesn't matter for me as long as you are a good person.