Predestination permanent?

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Re: Predestination permanent?

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Post by Stu » Thu Aug 23, 2018 1:13 am

Philip wrote:
Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:21 pm
Stu, Scripture repeatedly says God is ALL-knowing (a bit about that here: https://www.gotquestions.org/God-omniscient.html). And so, this is either true or not. There are many, many incredible, detailed and fulfilled prophecies across Scripture. The ones about the Messiah alone are mind-boggling. What you are mistaking is that God does not change His mind, not in the sense like a man would, based upon new information he didn't previously have. But God reacts to us, finite creatures who live in real time, IN real time. There has never been an actual past or future thing that God hasn't always known about. Time is but a tool for Him. But God knows that we don't and can't know all that He does. He respects our limitations and reacts to us per our limitations of knowledge and ignorance of things past and future.

Notice Revelation 13:8's reference to the Book of Life - of which all Christians of all time are written - and especially not WHEN this book's names were written!

"and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain."[/u]

One who would argue against God's omniscience can't possibly believe Scripture is God-given - because such claims are made throughout it!
Ok then please address why God said He would destroy Nineveh and then CHANGED HIS MIND when the people repented.
It's a few posts up.
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Re: Predestination permanent?

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Post by Philip » Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:37 am

I already explained - God reacts to man in real time because he made us to live in such time. Of course he knew they would repent - which is what He both always wanted them to do AND knew they would.

Stu, read this: https://www.gotquestions.org/God-change-mind.html

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Post by LittleHamster » Sat Aug 25, 2018 9:38 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predestination_(film)

This is an awesome film if you like a really good mind bender. Watch it if you dare. I reckon it has nothing to do with this thread though .... or does it ? :shock: :shock: :shock:
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Re: Predestination permanent?

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Post by Philip » Sun Aug 26, 2018 11:01 am

Hammie: Is a human being exercising "free will" while a slave to sin ? That is unlikely. The majority of humanity is acting under the law of cause and effect. (the cause being mostly sinful actions and the effect being the receiving of payment for those transgressions)
Didn't see this post beforehand. IF we have committed ourselves to Jesus in faith, we are without further guilt for ANY sin. And yet, we obviously can indeed still sin as long as we live in our mortal flesh.
Hammie: "The majority of humanity is acting under the law of cause and effect."
The reality is we ALL both sin and must face the repercussions of our sin on earth. Of course, God both offers forgiveness and POSITIONALLY sees no sins, nor holds accountable the sins, of Christians. As for non-Christians, they are still guilty before God. And if they remain unsaved until death, then they will not be forgiven and as a result will be separated eternally from God and punished - an unimaginably terrible thing!
Hammie: "Is a human being exercising "free will" while a slave to sin ? That is unlikely."
Of course, CHRISTIANS are no longer slaves to sin - Jesus freed us from that. Although many Christians, unfortunately, still live as if they are slaves to sin. But even as Christians, we are either still free to willfully sin, or our sin isn't caused by OUR will - which would mean God wants us to sin. But we know THAT is false per James 1 says God causes no sin: "13Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and He himself tempts no one. 14But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by HIS OWN desire. 15Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death." Notice that what verse 15 tells us is the mother (that "gives birth") of sin: Our "OWN desire."

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