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Re: Protestant v Catholic
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:52 am
by PaulSacramento
Byblos wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 12:49 pm
PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:27 am
I don't get the praying to her part, or to anyone other than Christ.
I'm assuming you mean asking for her intercession (to pray for us), right? And if you don't get that then perhaps you need to stop asking your family and friends to pray for you. But you don't think there's anything wrong with that, do you?
No, I really don't think there is anything wrong with it per say, its a human thing.
I don't think that God needs it or that somehow the more prayers the more He will listen or that the volume of prayers will somehow influence Him.
In regards to praying to the dead, its about what we believe happens when we die and who are saints.
Re: Protestant v Catholic
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:32 pm
by 1over137
this link from catholics try to exlain basis for praying to Mary
https://biblestudyforcatholics.com/cath ... ry-saints/
opinions?
Re: Protestant v Catholic
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 1:40 pm
by RickD
Thank you for the link Hana. It's actually the first time I've heard an honest response to the question. Most times when Catholics are asked why they pray to Mary, they say something like,"We don't pray
to Mary, we ask her to pray
for us."
At least the author of the article you linked, is honest enough to admit that she prays
to Mary.
Re: Protestant v Catholic
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:39 pm
by Philip
Arguing over whether Catholics are praying TO Mary or merely beseeching her - well, it's pretty clear what many of them believe about this. But FAR more serious and dangerous, is the Catholic Church's and its popes assertions about Mary being a "Co-Redemptrix" - look at what they've asserted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXNj8PGaBvkIs Mary our co-redemptrix or mediatrix?
Which is perhaps the worst of the false things the CC has long asserted that directly contradicts Scripture!
Re: Protestant v Catholic
Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2018 9:27 pm
by 1over137
i would like to see what sripture verses pope used to back his claims
this stuff makes me very sad
Re: Protestant v Catholic
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:41 am
by Stu
Philip wrote: ↑Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:39 pm
Arguing over whether Catholics are praying TO Mary or merely beseeching her - well, it's pretty clear what many of them believe about this. But FAR more serious and dangerous, is the Catholic Church's and its popes assertions about Mary being a "Co-Redemptrix" - look at what they've asserted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXNj8PGaBvkIs Mary our co-redemptrix or mediatrix?
Which is perhaps the worst of the false things the CC has long asserted that directly contradicts Scripture!
Have you read some of the comments on Youtube for that video.
Some Catholics really have been lead astray and they think they are absolutely right in what they believe.
What does the Catholic Church even teach, how do they come to know these things.
And the worst part of it all is that they risk salvation - if they pray to Mary as a mediator (or a priest) then they will not have their sins forgiven.
Re: Protestant v Catholic
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 5:41 am
by PaulSacramento
There is only ONE mediator, Jesus.
The only person we need to pray to is God.
I don't see a problem in praying FOR others, in praying to God for others, since it is an act of communion.
I have a problem with people thinking that the more people that pray the better ( as if God decides who's prayers to answer based on volume) or that God listens to certain people more than others ( favoritism).
I know that as humans we tend to "humanize" God and a such, put many of our flaws on Him, BUT we need to realize that God
isn't a human and doesn't have our flaws.
Re: Protestant v Catholic
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 6:45 am
by Byblos
TruthSeeker035 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:13 pm
To answer one of the questions here ......
"What I am actually wondering about is what this original post has anything at all to do with P vs C, other than the title of course, which precipitated responses totally unrelated to the OP. Perhaps TruthSeeker can shed some light on that? "
I had been offline here for awhile but wanted to post an "Icebreaker" post last night without it being too long and needed to be up early this morning. So to elaborate, my aunt converted to Catholicism when I was younger after always having been a Salvationist. Nearly everyone in my early days on that side of my family had been an officer within the Salvation Army. It was a huge surprise for me when she converted. I have been researching both sides. I spent an majority of my last day off work studying Luthers 95 Thesis's from his Foundation site. Like did i get it wrong ? Am I missing something ? So lets back tract I told myself. So thats the basis for this topic.
What I suggest to you is to first research what the Catholic Church actually teaches and the only way to do that is to go to reputable Catholic sources and forums such as
http://forums.avemariaradio.net/. Once you do that then you will be able to judge whether or not the criticism is well-placed or simply a straw man.
Re: Protestant v Catholic
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:52 am
by Philip
What, direct statements of popes are not authoritative enough?
Re: Protestant v Catholic
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:54 pm
by Philip