I've read the whole chapter of 1 John 3:6 and it only gets worse further down.BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 7:53 amYou should read on past verse 6 and ask yourself how it is we know the difference between sin and not sin...then read carefully Romans 3:20 and the surrounding verses as well.Kurieuo wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 7:33 amThere is no such thing as a Christian sinner -- for no one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him. (1 John 3:6) Read that verse closely, and then tell me, do you continue sinning Bav? If you do, then according to Scripture you don't know Christ.BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 7:02 amIf you're a sinner, you are condemned whether you're sinning or not. As a Christian sinner, we have assurance of salvation, but that doesn't mean we get to sin willy-nilly...does it?
Then read through 1 Timothy 1:15 and ask yourself what tense the writer is using in conveying his sinfulness. Certainly not past tense.
1 John 3Any Christian who sins should find this passage troubling. According to everything we've been taught about being saved by grace through faith in Christ, a passage like this ought not exist.
See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
So then, I ask you Bav, how do you navigate this passage? It does no good to ignore what is plainly written here. Specifically the following points:
- no one abides in Christ who keeps on sinning
- no one who keeps on sinning knows Christ
- worse yet, whoever practices sin is of the devil
- no one born of God practices sinning
- if God's seed abides in us, then we cannot sin because we're born of God
According to this passage, can someone who truly has Christ sin?
Do you sin? According to 1 John 3 are you of the devil or born of God?
This passage above should make anyone who claims to believe in Christ feel extremely uncomfortable.
I present these passages and ask you these questions Bav because you seem to believe there is such a thing as a Christian sinner. Your question to do with keeping the law or flagrantly sinning after coming to Christ requires this belief, and it is one I actually reject. I'm telling you there is no such thing, according to Scripture, as a Christian sinner. Rather we are righteous and without sin. We must be righteous or God can't accept us, and if we're not of God then we're of the devil -- we can't be both righteous and sinful but must either be one or the other.