No...certainly not in the context he chose to call me one. Sure, I can see that using a term like "Judaizer" could tell someone about their beliefs, but he already has something against Adventists for promoting a belief he doesn't share...and he's not willing to engage in some sort of establishing HIS OWN reasons for believing when he clearly said he could put up texts.
He meant, by calling me a Judaizer, that I was or that Adventists are out to force everyone back into Jewish Law...and as I've said, that is a gross mischaracterization ESPECIALLY since we do not serve a different Savior, but a JEWISH carpenter named Jesus...who incidentally never broke the Sabbath command, but instead, "...as was his custom."
Categorically false! It's a deliberate LIE! The Sabbath is no more "Jewish" than the Do Not Murder law is "Jewish"...and I don't see anyone complaining about attempting to keep that law or any other of the 9.RickD wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 4:48 pmStick to the issue please. There's no sarcasm intended here. There's no condescending tone either.
A judaizer is someone who tries to make non-Jews, follow Jewish customs, or laws. You are trying to get believers to follow Jewish laws. That makes you a judaizer, by definition.
If you don't want to continue, that's your prerogative. I'm not going to make you discuss something you don't want to discuss. But I'm not going to sugar coat the issue either. I'm not questioning your salvation, I'm questioning your beliefs as far as SDA doctrine, and the SDA doctrine itself.
When did I put down the mods in general. I've only mentioned Rick in these. He's the only one that is a mod and that called me a name HE INTENDED as derogatory. If I were to call everyone by what I FEEL labels everyone, I don't think that would go over well here nor in society at large. That's why there are rules and I would assume those rules apply to mods as much as they apply to the regular folk. RickD is VERY sarcastic and inserts useless comments into just about every single post that lands on this forum...which explains his post count. Though he will not engage in a discussion on a biblical matter EXCEPT to call names, threaten he can prove his belief, then step aside and link a differing conversation?Kurieuo wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 11:09 pmIt is only insulting if you take exception to it, but then it is far from clear to Rick, and even myself, that to some extent SDA theology (which you subscribe to) isn't. Getting upset and making attacks on how it's unbecoming of Rick as a mod to call you such, a label he thinks describes your position, isn't the way to go. And putting down mods in general isn't really acceptable behaviour if you have an issue, nor would I see is it a good Christian thing to do.
I know you don't find anything wrong with it and it may stem from a belief that I am a Judaizer. As I said in a post that RickD asked how he should approach this thought and I said there's nothing wrong with making a general statement about my position and/or the SDA position, but there is something wrong, IMHO, with name-calling in the context he did. If it is the case that my feelings do not matter, then so be it.Kurieuo wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 11:09 pmRick so-far-as I see hasn't done anything wrong here. Sure, he adds sarcasm from time-to-time, but many like it and I see nothing wrong with such also. Try lighten up a little, don't be so serious. Perhaps should first start with your understanding of what a judaizer is vs Rick's. That seems more productive, I see no need for you to feel necessarily insulted over such.
I'm the lightest person around and can spar with RickD in sarcasm and jokes, but when one comes at me by name-calling and running away from doing a bit of actual thinking for a post ( something he readily admits he does seldom...which as a mod, I think is a bit sad considering the forum we are on ), then I have an issue.
RickD made it clear what he feels a Judaizer is...and that is someone trying to make everyone follow Jewish law.
First we have:
That is completely false. What's the proof that this is completely false? Does trying to obey the Do Not Murder law deny Christ's finished work? If yes, then I stand corrected. If no, then 2 things; 1. Neither is keeping the Sabbath and the Sabbath law and 2. the Do Not Murder law are equal in their demand of God to keep...for righteousness. ( NOT that we can anyway, but just because we can't keep the law perfect, doesn't mean we "nullify" the law )RickD wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 11:36 amUltimately, the sabbath laws pointed forward to Christ. He is our sabbath rest. By still trying to obey the sabbath, in essence, you are denying that Christ's finished work is efficacious. Just like those who observe Passover, which was also pointing forward to Christ.
Then we have this condescending tone:
...as if I and any SDA are stupid? Just puts his following comments and name-calling into perspective.
Next we have:
...which is again RickD making a statement he will not, and I say he cannot, prove biblically. He must prove that there were Jews at creation and explain the creation wording of the Law and Day God made holy as God's words/reason is recorded for us and in Exodus 20, reiterated to the meaning of the Sabbath. There were no Jews present on the 7th day of creation to make it a Jewish law!RickD wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 9:26 amNo more joking around! We have a bigger problem than holy potato chips. BavarianWheels seems to have completely ignored the book of Galatians (among others), which testifies against his belief that Christians should be following the law given to the nation of Israel.
Then here's the kicker:
He's already given us the manner in which to think of me and SDA's and that is by condescending tone and that we are somehow stupid for ignoring Galatians etc...then says "your Judaizing beliefs..."RickD wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 7:28 amAnd there's your problem. I'm not saying the law is removed. Christians were never under the law, so to say it was removed, is not the issue.
The law was given to the nation of Israel. The physical nation of Israel. Not spiritual Israel.
God still has plans for Israel. The church has not replaced Israel.
Would you like me to post specific verses to show you that Christians are not under the law?
I figured that since you are an SDA, you would've heard the arguments against your judaizing beliefs by now.
CLEARLY the context is in the same condescending tone and MEANT as derogatory BASED on his previous posts and tone! There's no denying that...and if one does, it's likely because one agrees with the labeling. And if it only takes THINKING one is X and X is meant as derogatory, then name-calling shouldn't be against the rules.
So if it is ok to label, then I expect the next time I label someone a "Nazi", I won't receive any warning by any moderator?