No need to prove anything since you yourself said you don’t believe we go to heaven therefore this discussion is of no use.BavarianWheels wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:47 pmThis abundantly shows your inability to see what was actually happening vs. what you THINK was happening. Of course it counts as work when one goes plucking grain in THEIR OWN field...to do so is to gather it for SELLING. It is the manner in which the owner makes money. However, as you, I'm sure, know, Jesus owned nothing. The disciples were PLUCKED from their manner of WORK in order to do the work of God...which paid them no salary. So when the disciples and Jesus pluck grain from a field to EAT, they are not working, but rather simply feeding themselves...against which there is no law...is there?mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 11:37 amRead the Bible for what it Says?
You mix the laws when it’s convinent and when it’s jot you are not. The 10 says remember. If you go to the ceremonial laws as well it says do not work (part of the mosaic laws) what he meant by do not work was basically do not light fire because it was considered hard work back then ( had to go to the woods, cut trees , carry them, pile them , work hours to try and light it) which is why it was forbidden.
If someone has a grain fiend and he goes plucking this my friend
counts as work.
There is no difference between owned field or non owned field and actually plucking to eat from a non owned field would be considered theft.
Technically, there's no salvation after Christ either! Actual Salvation comes at death ( if one believes that at death we go to heaven, which I don't ) or at Christ's second coming ( Revelation 22:12 ). Has Christ's second coming occurred? If you're saved, then you are now immortal. Are you? We are assured of salvation through Christ and some might even allude to that as HAVING salvation, but yet if we actually HAD salvation, we wouldn't be in the body of sin, would we?mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 11:37 amNot true at all. There was no salvation before Christ. People was counted righteous yes. But there was no heaven to go to yet and no gods family yet. People who actually read the Bible know this the dead righteous didn’t go to heaven when died during OT times.
Jesus said trust in my promsisis and rejoice in your salvation heck the helmet of salvation which I’m wearing right now. Therefore I am saved.
Wrong. The 10 are specific and separate...hence why the tablets were put into the Arc of the...the...the what?
( Revelation 11:19 - when is this seen? )
The ark of the covenant. Which proves you wrong. (Was a part of the covenant or else they wouldn’t put it in an ark of the covenant would they?)
I agree. Christ didn't mention the Sabbath in a law context. He just lived it.
He did mention a lot of other laws as well as living them. Therefore.....
It's the same salvation we have today...based on something we have FAITH in.
Wrong. God has never promised salvation to the righteous of OT times.
Like Jesus has said he’s the truth the way and the life. Only through him one has access to salvation.
The Law is SUMMED UP...the Law was never removed.mrtzur2015 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 11:37 amThere is no need for the 10 commandments today they are all included in 2 commandments. Jesus says do not me.
1. Love your God with all your heart soul and mind.
2. Love your neighbors as you love yourself.
Who are our beihboors? Everyone.
If we love one another we will not kill steal covet and all the things mentioned in the 10 commandments therefore obsolete.
The first 4 deal with how we are to honor/love God.
The last 6 deal with how we honor/love each other.
You do not need to elaborte . The spirit is righteous remember?
You can't, but if you present a clear WORD from God, it will. I'm pretty sure you have nothing in scripture the likes of how God instituted the 10 to remove them as law.
You have yet to show me or anyone reading here how the 10 go from pointing at righteousness to NOT pointing at righteousness and therefore removed. ( Romans 3:20,21 Romans 7:12 ) What is removed, is the CURSE the Law brings upon anyone found to be in transgression thereof. ( Galatians 3:13 )
I’m sure someone who’s actually looking for truth will find it within what I’m says no. You are not looking thereof.