What "Faith" Did the Thief on Cross Have?

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Re: What "Faith" Did the Thief on Cross Have?

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Kurieuo wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:Without the resurrection there is no salvation in Christ.
We must believe in the resurrection.
A Christian has got to believe in a resurrection, otherwise what are they hoping in as a Christian? Yet, would the thief have known Jesus would be physically resurrected, when even the disciples weren't expecting such. He may have been perceptive enough to understand Christ given what he was recorded as saying.

Nonetheless, I ask, since some appear leery of a physical resurrection, and Hugh isn't the first I've come across. As confused and strange such Christians seem to be, those who believe in Christ yet question a physical resurrection, nonetheless hoping in Christ that they will be resurrected in the end...
Without the resurrection what are we preaching and how is Jesus vindicated.
I mean, Paul is clear that without the resurrection, Christianity is a lie.
There is no salvation without the resurrection.
Jesus would be just another failed and executed Messiah and NONE of his followers would have been motivated to preach, much less die, for spreading His Word that He IS resurrected.
To deny the resurrection is, quite simply, to deny Christ.
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Re: What "Faith" Did the Thief on Cross Have?

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Paul: Without the resurrection there is no salvation in Christ.
We must believe in the resurrection.
Course, that depends upon where in history God put a person. Did Abraham know about the Resurrection? No! Did he trust God? Absolutely? Could He know more of God than had been revealed to him? No! Did the God He trusted not include both the Father and the Son, in one Being? Of course. It's just that God's revelations about Himself are gradual. But to accept Him as He is, is to accept what of Himself HAS been revealed to a person. Back to the scene of the Crucifixion? When Jesus affirmed the repentant thief's glorious fate, did that thief believe in the Resurrection, as it had not yet happened; But he certainly believed Jesus would survive death, as He looked to His future Kingdom, and did so in a moment in which others would have thought Jesus would be quite (and permanently) dead by the next day. That thief expected another world and Kingdom to come that Jesus would enter. So, he believed in the Resurrection before it happened - and only by faith - just as Abraham had.
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Re: What "Faith" Did the Thief on Cross Have?

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Philip wrote:
Paul: Without the resurrection there is no salvation in Christ.
We must believe in the resurrection.
Course, that depends upon where in history God put a person. Did Abraham know about the Resurrection? No! Did he trust God? Absolutely? Could He know more of God than had been revealed to him? No! Did the God He trusted not include both the Father and the Son, in one Being? Of course. It's just that God's revelations about Himself are gradual. But to accept Him as He is, is to accept what of Himself HAS been revealed to a person. Back to the scene of the Crucifixion? When Jesus affirmed the repentant thief's glorious fate, did that thief believe in the Resurrection, as it had not yet happened; But he certainly believed Jesus would survive death, as He looked to His future Kingdom, and did so in a moment in which others would have thought Jesus would be quite (and permanently) dead by the next day. That thief expected another world and Kingdom to come that Jesus would enter. So, he believed in the Resurrection before it happened - and only by faith - just as Abraham had.
Yep, quite correct.
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