Kurieuo wrote: bbyrd009 wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:the support found from even certain Jewish corners.
i like those, btw, they are cool. Let's not forget that Islam uses the same terminology, and means to express the same idea, God as "We," even if we are killing them for not agreeing with our version, verbatim. I like the "wheel of prophecy," for this, which i'll try to UL a copy, but it might be tiny, sorry:
ya, or non-existent, lol. google images has it, though.
Many within Islam commit shirk I think without even realising it. What is the message of the Quran? It is (believed to be) the Word of God, eternal, transcendent, everlasting.
Muslims are people, too, yes. And all you have to do is read It, it takes like what 2 days, right. And It is in There, imo. Fear God, follow Christ, and reap what you sow. All in there. Free to be misinterpreted, after forgetting The Beginning of Sur'ahs
and Its "Opening," or not.
And you can tell this also because like the Bible, and anything that comes from Word, it divides people, pretty much right down the middle, 50/50, on pretty much any doctrine that men come to hold in Them. Name any doctrine that you have come to enshrine, and present your Witnesses, that i may present the "opposite" doctrine of, from the same Source. This is what Scripture does; fillet you. You are the one who decides what a passage means, no matter whether you got that interpretation in a desert or in a garden (and, we start out Free Men, laden with gold even, leaving slavery, Egypt). And so our interpretation might start out in the Wilderness, and progress, or fruit more, as here a little there a little
has its effect, and we become more willing to die every day
and be willing to resolve one of, essentially, our doctrinal issues, one of those "seven spirits," that Paul addresses to each state of your "church," that reads like just a little admonishment for some other believers, in that past church, that were guilty of doing that thing, whatever it was, which varies with each "church," the Seven Churches.
Thus, any sins that Paul mentioned to those churches must be understood, and if you cannot apply Paul's complaint against them to yourself, iow you have experienced being guilty of that, and you remember the fruit of it, etc, well, if you can't work that passage out to apply to you in some way (recognizing the terminology Paul used is symbolic, gender and all, meaning i don't care if Paul is talking about women chattering in some church if what matters is that i have a woman that can be out of line, spiritually speaking), if i cannot apply that verse to myself, then that is a clear pointer to which spirit of the seven i am dealing with. Every single line of Scripture applies to me.
Love believes all things
is grasping that yes, there is a Trinity implied, of course, just as the truth that that cannot be conclusively nailed down
in a holistic rendering of Scripture is also a statement, to be understood; there are other, valid perspectives, and Trinity can also be a god that you make.