Eternal Security...(Revised May 2015)

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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by Storyteller » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:43 pm

Awwww jpbg.

So you do have a sense of humour!

psst... it's it not is too :)
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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by RickD » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:48 pm

Storyteller wrote:Awwww jpbg.

So you do have a sense of humour!

psst... it's it not is too :)
And while we're at it, it should be "spell well". :ssorry:
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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by jpbg33 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:55 pm

A sense of hummer but very dense I don't get "it's it not is too"

I was told once I speak English but I sure don't write it.

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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by Storyteller » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:57 pm

Hang on, I'll show you in my next post.
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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by Storyteller » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:59 pm

jpbg33 wrote:Not being able to spell well doesn't mean you are not smart but is sure makes you look dumb.
Should read Not being able to spell well doesn't mean you are not smart but it sure makes you look dumb.

So..

it's it not is, see?
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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by jpbg33 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:09 pm

I get it now sort of like that plaque that says Jesus but you can't read it when you first look at it, but once you see it then its very obvious.
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Post by Storyteller » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:14 pm

or like the triangle with paris in the the springtime in it..


and its spelled plaque ;)

on a serious note though, your spelling, puncuation and grammar doesn't really mater, it's what you say thst counts x
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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by jpbg33 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:30 pm

I looked for that on google but I couldn't find it so I left it that way

I use google for spell check

I guess I need to get back on topic.
So back to my last topical comment. I just wonted to let everyone know that I wasn't trying to belittle anyone or make anyone mad.

with that said I don't believe people are necessarily wrong in believing you can't loose your salvation but I hate the idea that it doesn't matter what you do after you are saved your going to go to heaven. I think if you are a Christian it will matter to you and you will try and live right all the time we may make mistakes but we will keep trying to do right and if we stop living right then maybe we were not saved in the first place. Ether that or we backslide.

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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by LittleHamster » Fri Feb 13, 2015 5:41 pm

On a side note, I just found six views on Salvation......


1. The legal view says that man can be saved by good works and by living a clean moral life.

2. The semi-legal view says man must be saved by faith in Christ plus good works.

3. Socrates and many of the philosophers held an intellectual view, which purports that a man is good if he is a wise man, and that only the wise are in favor with the gods.

4. The Jews believed the biological view, supposing that they would inherit salvation by birth; that they were automatically in the Kingdom of God because they were Israelites.

5. The denominational view of salvation is held by certain church members who believe that a person has to be in their particular denomination or church.

6. The spiritual or biblical view says that salvation is received by faith alone (Eph. 2:8-9).
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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by dfnj » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:36 pm

christianwarrior wrote:Anyways there is a question you could ask someone if you want to know if they have put their trust in Christ. If you were to die tonight and had to stand before God, what would you say to Him when He asks you why He should let you into heaven? Most of the nonbelievers would answer something along the lines of being a good person, their works, going to church, etc. This question is not perfect as some believers might get tripped up by the question and a non-believer well versed in Scripture might give you the right answer. Still the question is worth asking in most cases.
The more profound question is how far are you willing to go with your own faith. Is being a fan of the words in the Bible going to be good enough? When you stand before God, are you willing to believe he will use his omnipotent powers of forgiveness and let you through the gates of heaven regardless of your earthly sins? Of course God will forgive you. It's easy to have faith in an omnipotent being. But having faith in the people around you is much harder. Having faith in yourself is ultimately the hardest faith of all. What if standing in front of face of God, in his mirror of perfect reflection, we re-experience the full depth of all our sins from the deepest possible perspective. Then the real question becomes, at that moment, are we willing to forgive ourselves for our own sins when we see ourselves for who we really are as we are looking into the face of God? Regardless of our choice, it is impossible for us to imagine the depth of the horrors evil will experience as evil looks into the face of God. If the face of God is so penetrating then maybe the ultimate path to salvation for each of us comes from being responsible for our own absolution.

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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by jpbg33 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:57 pm

On the biblical way the bible say if your faith has no works then it is dead don't forget that your faith according to the bible can die. I believe in the whole biblical one.

his is what the bible says" Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.".

this says in the past we live sinful but by God grace he gave us the ability to live right and it was ordained that we should live right.

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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by LittleHamster » Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:12 am

When someone is born he cannot be unborn at a later date.

When someone is born-again he cannot be unborn-again at a later date, let alone be born-again-again at an even a later date. This idea is not mentioned anywhere in the bible. The second birth is the birth in Spirit.

John 3:3 “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again”

After we are saved (born-again and receive the holy spirit), God no longer deals with us as sinners but as sons. [Hebrews 12:5-8]

In God's eyes when we get saved we are perfect forever [Hebrews 10:14], justified (made as if we had never sinned [ Romans 3:24-28; 5:1,9; Acts 13:39]), and sanctified [I Corinthians 1:2; 6:11; II Thessalonians 2:13], as far as our salvation is concerned.

When we get saved we are placed into the body of Christ [Romans 12:5; I Corinthians 12:13; Galatians 3:28; Ephesians 2:21-22].

Not only are we kept by God's power but we CANNOT come into condemnation [John 5:24; Romans 8:1]; we are NOT condemned [John 3:18].

God gives the Holy Spirit to every believer when we get saved [John 7:38-39; Ephesians 1:12-13; I John 4:13] as the earnest (down payment [II Corinthians 1:22; 5:5]) of his promise to take us to heaven and give us our inheritance [ Ephesians 1:13-14]. We can only be unsaved if we do not have the Holy Spirit [Romans 8:9], which means we would have to lose the Holy Spirit to get lost again; but the Bible says we are SEALED by and with the Holy Spirit UNTIL the day of redemption [II Corinthians 1:21-22; Ephesians 1:12-13; 4:30]. The Holy Spirit can be quenched [I Thessalonians 5:19] or grieved [Ephesians 4:30] but not lost.

We will not be perfect until we get to heaven, and we may be disobedient, but we cannot lose our salvation. We can still fall, but not so as to be eternally lost, for the Lord upholds us [Proverbs 24:16; Psalms 37:24-25; 145:14].
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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by Audie » Sun Feb 15, 2015 8:46 am

jpbg33 wrote:Not being able to spell well doesn't mean you are not smart but it sure makes you look dumb.


Not so much if a person says sensible things, cares enough to use spell check, and otherwise makes an effort. It is like
brushing your hair, dressing neatly and generally showing some self respect in public.

It is not showing respect for readers to present an unintelligible mess.
If a person doesn't show respect for himself or others, he should hardly
be surprised or self righteous about it if people dont respect his posts.

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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by dfnj » Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:11 am

jpbg33 wrote:I'm not trying to discourage anyone from believing what they believe is right but someone told me a story of an atheist that said if he believed others were going to hell if they were not saved then he would be screaming at the top of his lungs for people to get saved but cense we are not doing that then we must not really believe it our selves so why should he. I have though of that for some time and he is right and I don't wont anyone to go to hell. So I'm telling everyone I can the best I know how.
So if I am wrong well I'll see y'all all in heaven
but if I'm right I screamed as loud as I could.
that was funny see I do make big mistakes
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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by melanie » Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:52 pm

Audie wrote:
jpbg33 wrote:Not being able to spell well doesn't mean you are not smart but it sure makes you look dumb.


Not so much if a person says sensible things, cares enough to use spell check, and otherwise makes an effort. It is like
brushing your hair, dressing neatly and generally showing some self respect in public.

It is not showing respect for readers to present an unintelligible mess.
If a person doesn't show respect for himself or others, he should hardly
be surprised or self righteous about it if people dont respect his posts.
It is not respectful to readers to be so nasty in a completely unprovoked exchange, especially highlighted by the fact that the person was showing a level of vulnerability.
So you just felt like it, real nice.
Guess your English professor mother never taught you if you have nothing nice to say keep your damn mouth shut!

You think this guy hasn't experienced this sh*t numerous times in his life, guaranteed he has. That's just people for you though isn't it. I would like to think this forum is a place where anyone can come and share, sure be challenged on their ideas and beliefs but not in this way.

Now I could be completely wrong but our friend here shows some classic symptoms of primary dyslexia. It is genetic. They are right brain predominant thinkers which not only makes spelling, reading, writing difficult, but also subtleties in language that we easily pick up are not identified. What can be viewed as naivety, stupidity ect is especially in this type of written communication environment because the brain can't as easily pick up on it. They are not stupid or naive. They are not less intelligent, they are not lazy needing to just apply themselves, it is how their brain is wired and processes information.

Whether I'm right or wrong regarding this is irrelevant. We shouldn't use a person's vulnerabilities to belittle them.
I'm sorry I have never been the kind of person who can sit by and watch that happen, I have lost friends over it and that's a price I'm willing to pay.

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