Eternal Security...(Revised May 2015)

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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by jpbg33 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:06 pm

the bible says " 2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. ". So we are change when we get saved. People with out Jesus are as good as they fill they need to be not there best.

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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by Storyteller » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:17 pm

Gandhi? He was pretty good.

Mind you, I think I know what you mean. Do you mean that the only way we can be our best is through allowing the Holy Spirit to dwell within us and guide us?
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Post by jpbg33 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:30 pm

The only way you can be your best is with Gods help. We can be pretty good in man eyes but we full way short in Gods eye. The bible says we have all sinned so that means that in some point in time we could have done better. We only know how good we think someone is not how good they really are.

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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by Storyteller » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:35 pm

jpbg33 wrote:The only way you can be your best is with Gods help. We can be pretty good in man eyes but we full way short in Gods eye. The bible says we have all sinned so that means that in some point in time we could have done better. We only know how good we think someone is not how good they really are.
Yet in an earlier post you said that you can tell by someone's works.
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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by RickD » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:40 pm

Storyteller wrote:
jpbg33 wrote:The only way you can be your best is with Gods help. We can be pretty good in man eyes but we full way short in Gods eye. The bible says we have all sinned so that means that in some point in time we could have done better. We only know how good we think someone is not how good they really are.
Yet in an earlier post you said that you can tell by someone's works.
Annette,

Please, for the love of all that is good and pure, don't confuse him with facts. y#-o
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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by Storyteller » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:43 pm

:oops:
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Post by jpbg33 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:44 pm

You can because if someone is a Christian then God will be helping them make right decision and if they are not Christians they will be trying to do it in and of them selves and will be falling short. Our flesh was not made to have the strength to do our best in and of our selves.

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Post by Storyteller » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:47 pm

Helping them, yes, not forcing them and it doesn't mean we will not fail.
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Post by jpbg33 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:52 pm

Yes I agree we mess up even with Gods help But just as God will not force you to do right he will not force you to go to heaven ether.

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Post by Storyteller » Fri Feb 13, 2015 2:56 pm

Agreed.
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Post by jpbg33 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:24 pm

I'm not trying to discourage anyone from believing what they believe is right but someone told me a story of an atheist that said if he believed others were going to hell if they were not saved then he would be screaming at the top of his lungs for people to get saved but cense we are not doing that then we must not really believe it our selves so why should he. I have though of that for some time and he is right and I don't wont anyone to go to hell. So I'm telling everyone I can the best I know how.

So if I am wrong well I'll see y'all all in heaven

but if I'm right I screamed as loud as I could.

that was funny see I do make big mistakes
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Post by Storyteller » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:26 pm

I appreciate your sentiments but not al of us need to scream it to be heard.
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Post by RickD » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:28 pm

but if I'm right I creamed as loud as I could.
Since this is supposed to be a "family friendly" forum, I won't respond to this.
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Post by Storyteller » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:30 pm

:pound: :pound: :pound:
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Re: Eternal Security...

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Post by jpbg33 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 3:40 pm

Not being able to spell well doesn't mean you are not smart but it sure makes you look dumb.
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