Eternal Security...(Revised May 2015)

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Re: Eternal Security...(Revised May 2015)

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Post by Stu » Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:23 am

Philip wrote:
Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:04 pm
Hamster: Sounds like he promised and preached OSAS to a whole bunch of people. They never received salvation (for whatever reason), they died, went to hell, and now they blame him. Congregational Backlash !
If this were true - that people are in Hell that heard OSAS - it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Scriptural fact that salvation is forever, and eternal life AIN'T TEMPORARY!!! Deceased people who are in (temporary, as opposed the permanent) Hell are only there because they were never saved to begin with! How about: NYSUYRA (Not yet saved until you really are!).
So you honestly believe that one can be saved in Jesus; and then one day decide to ignore everything in the Bible, say you no longer believe, and start stealing and screwing around and you will still go to heaven?
Only when the blood runs and the shackles restrain, will the sheep then awake. When all is lost.

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Re: Eternal Security...(Revised May 2015)

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Post by RickD » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:09 am

Stu wrote:
Sun Nov 25, 2018 10:12 am
Can't seem to display the video so click on the link.

ABSOLUTELY TERRIFYING - Once Saved Always Saved Preacher Goes to Hell!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mcJkYpSTNM&t=
First off, Calvinism does not equal once saved always saved. The gospel of Calvinism is a false gospel. So, the guy is correct in telling people to run from Calvinism.

But the website the video is promoting, is a completely works based gospel. This self appointed genius jumped from one false gospel(Calvinism), into another false gospel(10lovecommandments).
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John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

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Re: Eternal Security...(Revised May 2015)

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Post by LittleHamster » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:24 pm

"The Bible is quite clear that the Holy Spirit is active in our world. The book of Acts, which sometimes goes by the longer title of “The Acts of the Apostles,” could just as accurately be called “The Acts of the Holy Spirit through the Apostles.” After the apostolic age, there have been some changes—the Spirit does not inspire further Scripture, for example—but He continues to do His work in the world.

First, the Holy Spirit does many things in the lives of believers. He is the believers’ Helper (John 14:26). He indwells believers and seals them until the day of redemption—this indicates that the Holy Spirit’s presence in the believer is irreversible. He guards and guarantees the salvation of the ones He indwells (Ephesians 1:13; 4:30). The Holy Spirit assists believers in prayer (Jude 1:20) and “intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God” (Romans 8:26–27).

The Holy Spirit regenerates and renews the believer (Titus 3:5). At the moment of salvation, the Spirit baptizes the believer into the Body of Christ (Romans 6:3). Believers receive the new birth by the power of the Spirit (John 3:5–8). The Spirit comforts believers with fellowship and joy as they go through a hostile world (1 Thessalonians 1:6; 2 Corinthians 13:14). The Spirit, in His mighty power, fills believers with “all joy and peace” as they trust the Lord, causing believers to “overflow with hope” (Romans 15:13).

Sanctification is another work of the Holy Spirit in the life of a believer. The Spirit sets Himself against the desires of the flesh and leads the believer into righteousness (Galatians 5:16–18). The works of the flesh become less evident, and the fruit of the Spirit becomes more evident (Galatians 5:19–26). Believers are commanded to “be filled with the Spirit” (Ephesians 5:18), which means they are to yield themselves to the Spirit’s full control.

The Holy Spirit is also a gift-giver. “There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them” (1 Corinthians 12:4). The spiritual gifts that believers possess are given by the Holy Spirit as He determines in His wisdom (verse 11)

The Holy Spirit also does work among unbelievers. Jesus promised that He would send the Holy Spirit to “convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment” (John 16:8, ESV). The Spirit testifies of Christ (John 15:26), pointing people to the Lord. Currently, the Holy Spirit is also restraining sin and combatting “the secret power of lawlessness” in the world. This action keeps the rise of the Antichrist at bay (2 Thessalonians 2:6–10).

The Holy Spirit has one other important role, and that is to give believers wisdom by which we can understand God. “The Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God” (1 Corinthians 2:10–11). Since we have been given the amazing gift of God’s Spirit inside ourselves, we can comprehend the thoughts of God, as revealed in the Scripture. The Spirit helps us understand. This is wisdom from God, rather than wisdom from man. No amount of human knowledge can ever replace the Holy Spirit’s teaching (1 Corinthians 2:12–13)."




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Re: Eternal Security...(Revised May 2015)

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Post by UsagiTsukino » Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:21 pm

So what about a believer who back peddles and falls into sin?

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