Kris,Kristoffer wrote:I suppose so, but that is a very, very big IF. What do you consider the odds are if we were to bet on this? How do you say "you are going to hell for what you have done" without it sounding threatening? (also I would love to hear someone say this to my face and see what happens)jlay wrote: If Hell is real, then warning you would be a most appropriate response.
Ultimately Hell means separation from God. How this manifests itself to me is beside the point. To not have the most incredible relationship with my creator would be hell. To have communion with the creator of the universe? To have the properly restored relationship with GOd? Now you may not believe those things (yet) but that is what we have and believe. Imagine the best relationship you can think of or have had and that is but a dim resemblance of what Christ offers. Now imagine not having that relationship. not having that communion...think back over a break up or a loss of a relationship and that is also but a dim resemblance of the loss we would have in hell.
It is the heart in rebellion to God that means that we are given what we ask for! Think of it this way Kris. IF someone does not believe in God and rejects Him, then hell is simply what that person is asking for. Hell is simply the result of what we want if we declare "there is no God".kris wrote: Anyway, I think that sure warn people about a possible danger. But be vary gentle and considerate. Take into account that Hell could just mean Oblivion and not eternal torture.(The big question here would be, is not believing in God a crime great enough for this? What if the most righteous person apart from this fact died, would they be deserving of that punishment?)
I agree with Jlay here, Kris...these seem a bit....strange. However I will answer the rewards question. In our state of rebellion the right consequence is what we ask for, separation from God...spiritual and physical separation. That is the JUST consequence. The gift of Christ is not a reward not earned for we cannot ever earn it!! We can never earn our righteousness. (and we can debate that but lets clarify the rewards for now). SO it is a gift born from the grace of God, grace that gave of Christ, who took upon the wrath that we deserve and gave us His righteousness. It is not something we could ever earn ourselves!! That is the MERCY found in Christ.Why just Gift a Reward, rewards should be earned. How is religion not a sport?(you could also ask the opposite question) It just seems competitive and I have quite a bit of "Competiting" already.
Maybe I am not understanding you point, but how in the world is it competitive?