The Trinity, tradition or scripture?

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Re: The Trinity, tradition or scripture?

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Post by KrisW » Wed Dec 26, 2007 9:57 am

Canuckster1127 wrote: I believe the Holy Spirit is described as a person in the Scripture with attributes of God and Attributes of an independent entity.

I tend to be less specific, defining the Holy Spirit as "being" rather that a person. I find it interesting that while we humans often depict God in anthropomorphic terms (the old man with a long white beard), the Holy Spirit is depicted as a dove or a bolt of electricty or something else.

I think the sects of Judiasm that claim the Holy Spirit is a 'force' deserve some serious study.
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Re: The Trinity, tradition or scripture?

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Post by jenna » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:01 am

Yes, we are agreed that God is omnipresent. But notice that even Jesus could not do anything without the power of God, or the Holy Spirit that God gave Him. If God didn't use the Spirit, then Jesus could not have done what He set out to do. If the Holy Spirit, or God, as you seem to see it, were everywhere, then Jesus wouldn't have needed God to give it to Him.
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Re: The Trinity, tradition or scripture?

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Post by Gman » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:02 am

jenwat3 wrote:Sounds good to me! I don't cut and paste anyway, still haven't figured out how. But I'm ready and willing when you are! :ewink:

Jen, I think you said before that you are not a Jehovah's witness. Are you from the The Way International? What denomination do you associate with? Just curious... Thanks.
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Re: The Trinity, tradition or scripture?

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Post by jenna » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:04 am

Way International? What's that? Never heard of them. And I'm nondenominational. :ewink:
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Post by Gman » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:09 am

jenwat3 wrote:Way International? What's that? Never heard of them. And I'm nondenominational. :ewink:
You don't want to know... About the Trinity, you will find your answers here and here.
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Re: The Trinity, tradition or scripture?

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Post by jenna » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:13 am

No offense, but as canuckster stated, we are trying to talk about the trinity without cutting and pasting or providing links. Scripture only. It takes alot of time to read long links, and it can be frustrating at times. :D
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Re: The Trinity, tradition or scripture?

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Post by Gman » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:15 am

jenwat3 wrote:No offense, but as canuckster stated, we are trying to talk about the trinity without cutting and pasting or providing links. Scripture only. It takes alot of time to read long links, and it can be frustrating at times. :D
One of those links was scripture only... y(:|
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Re: The Trinity, tradition or scripture?

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Post by jenna » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:16 am

Yes, it was. It was alot of scriptures. Can we do one at a time? :|
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Post by Gman » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:34 am

jenwat3 wrote:Yes, it was. It was alot of scriptures. Can we do one at a time? :|

Fire away... Be aware though that you will find in scripture that Jesus was both man AND God at the same time. What we need to understand first is the basic underlying message that God dies for man. It was not that man died for God.... Once you understand this simple concept, I believe you will understand the love of God.
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Post by Gman » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:47 am

You there? :wave: Just answer this simple question first. Was it that man died for God or was it God dieing for man? hint: Man already gave his sacrifice back in the OT with the sacrifice of Issac. Is man going to sacrifice to God again? Who's turn is it next? y[-o<
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Re: The Trinity, tradition or scripture?

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Post by Canuckster1127 » Wed Dec 26, 2007 11:34 am

jenwat3 wrote:Yes, we are agreed that God is omnipresent. But notice that even Jesus could not do anything without the power of God, or the Holy Spirit that God gave Him. If God didn't use the Spirit, then Jesus could not have done what He set out to do. If the Holy Spirit, or God, as you seem to see it, were everywhere, then Jesus wouldn't have needed God to give it to Him.
Jesus, however is another matter. Phillipians 2:5-11 speaks of Jesus "emptying" himself of things that were His to have as God, in order that he would become as were we, or human. This is usually referred to theologically as the hypostatic union and is the idea that Jesus was both 100% man and 100% God, yet another mystery.

We're speaking of the Holy Spirit however and respectfully I don't see how your answer addresses the passage we've agreed to start with.

What do you think Psalm 139 means in terms of omnipresence? Is the Holy Spirit omnipresent?
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Re: The Trinity, tradition or scripture?

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Post by KrisW » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:57 pm

jenwat3 wrote:Way International? What's that? Never heard of them. And I'm nondenominational. :ewink:

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Post by FFC » Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:19 pm

Kris wrote::::engage...irreverant comment mode:::
What mode were you in before? :shock:
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Re: The Trinity, tradition or scripture?

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Post by KrisW » Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:33 pm

My Thread about Christians engaging in Polemics (among other posts) was QUITE serious...

http://discussions.godandscience.org/vi ... =3&t=32819

I see it hasn't been answered yet....

You can add the question of why some Christian's get so anal about the spelling of "neutrino" to the topic as well.
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