True. My mother also used to tell me that I was the exact image of my own father...along with most people I meet. Yet I do have a mother of which I carry some characteristics of too.jenna wrote:Notice that Jesus said "when you see Me you have seen the Father". He did not say "the Father and the holy Spirit". Why leave it out if it is part of a trinity?
The Trinity states that the fullness of God dwells in all 3 members or expressions. When you see Jesus you see the totality of God, including the Father and the Holy Spirit.jenna wrote:Notice that Jesus said "when you see Me you have seen the Father". He did not say "the Father and the holy Spirit". Why leave it out if it is part of a trinity?BavarianWheels wrote:True...but the family consists of more than one family...my sisters married some guys from outside "our" family...jenna wrote:Right. So when you say "our" or "us", you mean your family. Same with God and Jesus. Us and our means one family, with more than one being.
All I'm trying to say is that "our" and "us" does not exclusively mean just 2 in number.
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It seems to me you're arguing against yourself here. If the HS is the "Mind of God"...then that would mean the HS is part of the Trinity. Kind of a Right-Hand-Man, so to speak.jenna wrote:Because at baptism you DO need the Holy spirit. Notice that this was the ONLY time Jesus referenced all three. You need Jesus, since He died for our sins, you need God to repent to, and you also need God to give you the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the MIND OF GOD, and once you repent, receive Jesus, and are baptized, your receive the Holy Spirit, or the mind, or power, of God.
This wasn't Jesus referencing all three. This was all three manifested and present at the same time.jenna wrote:Because at baptism you DO need the Holy spirit. Notice that this was the ONLY time Jesus referenced all three. You need Jesus, since He died for our sins, you need God to repent to, and you also need God to give you the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the MIND OF GOD, and once you repent, receive Jesus, and are baptized, your receive the Holy Spirit, or the mind, or power, of God.
I think you're rationalizing here. Think about it. All three present and manifested at the same. That's a lot more powerful a statement in terms of the God head and the Holy Spirit as a separate entity within it, than arguing from the lack of reference in one place, isn't it?jenna wrote:I have thought about that. It is true that all three were present and manifested, but the only reason for that was so that God could make His people known. God Himself manifested His power so that others would know to whom it was given.
Does your spirit detach and manifest physically outside of you?jenna wrote:Again, it tells me that God allowed it to be manifested so people would know to whom He gave His Holy Spirit. Also, not to start another thread here, but to make a point. We are made in God's image. We also have a "spirit". Is our spirit a separate being? No. And since we are made in His image, how could God's spirit be a separate being? And of course I'm rationalizing! If I wasn't then I could be considered insane, (which many here think I am anyway).
You made an appeal to our spirit in relationship to our being, to illustrate your statement as to what the Holy Spirit is. I was asking you questions to help you see how that appeal is illogical.jenna wrote:Does my spirit detach and manifest physically outside of me? No.
Do I reflect God's image or does my image reflect God's? I am made in God's image. Hopefully my image, or character, reflects His.
Does God possess characteristics that I don't? Of course, never claimed otherwise.
I'm not really sure where you are going with this...
Jenna,jenna wrote:Yes, I am seeking answers. I don't think I defend my beliefs any more than what others do. I am here to discuss and stay on point as much as others are.