Salvation Equation? Jesus Coming back in 2028?

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Salvation Equation? Jesus Coming back in 2028?

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Post by claysmithr » Tue Aug 14, 2018 1:23 pm

https://10lovecommandments.com/
http://2028end.com
https://undeniablebiblicalproof.com/

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His salvation equation is A (man's duty) + B (God's duty) = C (salvation)
B = Jesus death and ressurection
A = Repentance, or follow the 10 commandments (which confuses me because I thought Paul said we didn't have to observe the sabbath in Colossians 2:16-17

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My view on the salvation equation, where
A = Faith which leads to repentance, where repentance means living a God pleasing life

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I found these sites through the youtube channel '2028 end' where he has also stockpiled Christian heaven/hell testimonies, and he makes some good points in his own videos.

What do you think? It would actually take a good chunk of time hearing his side of things, but I feel like he is well researched and makes some good points.

Thanks!

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Re: Salvation Equation? Jesus Coming back in 2028?

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Post by RickD » Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:29 pm

At first I was like :shock:

Then I was like y:-?

Then I realized you were testing us.

You couldn't, in any amount of seriousness, post links to a works based salvationist/false prophet.

Good one claysmithr! You almost got me, and it isn't even April Fool's Day!
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Re: Salvation Equation? Jesus Coming back in 2028?

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Post by PaulSacramento » Wed Aug 15, 2018 4:09 am

In Jesus' own words, we are told NOT to try and wonder WHEN the end will come.
Acts 1: 6-8

So, maybe we should listen to Him.

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Post by claysmithr » Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:36 am

Jesus said we should be be on watch for his return.

"No man knows the day nor hour" might actually be a reference to Rosh Hashanah, and notice he never said we can't know the year.

Also, would you consider Faith that leads to repentance a work? Or would you be a universalist, thinking no one has to do anything to be saved, because that would be considered a work? Do you think man has NO PART to play in his own salvation?

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Post by RickD » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:10 am

claysmithr wrote:
Also, would you consider Faith that leads to repentance a work?
I'd have to have you define "repentance" before I could answer that. Many people redefine repentance, to mean "a turning away from sin".
Or would you be a universalist, thinking no one has to do anything to be saved, because that would be considered a work? Do you think man has NO PART to play in his own salvation?
Salvation is by grace, through faith. Many people claim that they believe that, but then they add something to faith, making it no longer through faith. For example, some will say, "yes, I believe salvation is through faith." But then they say we must follow God's commandments, or do something else to keep salvation.

How to have eternal life? It's really simple. John 3:16

Saying that people need to follow the 10 commandments, as the link you posted believes, is making salvation based on our works, which means it's no longer through faith.
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Re: Salvation Equation? Jesus Coming back in 2028?

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Post by PaulSacramento » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:48 am

claysmithr wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 6:36 am
Jesus said we should be be on watch for his return.

"No man knows the day nor hour" might actually be a reference to Rosh Hashanah, and notice he never said we can't know the year.

Also, would you consider Faith that leads to repentance a work? Or would you be a universalist, thinking no one has to do anything to be saved, because that would be considered a work? Do you think man has NO PART to play in his own salvation?
Watching for His return is NOT the same is trying to figure it out or guess, which He tells us NOT to do.
The passage in ACTS is quite clear.
Read it again:
7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority;

Belief is the Key to our salvation, what we have to "do" is believe ( which leads to repentance and redemption).
If we have to "do"something to be saved then Christ's death and resurrection mean what exactly? what did Jesus leave undone? why was His sacrifice NOT enough?

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Post by claysmithr » Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:15 am

I believe that true faith leads to repentance and obedience towards Jesus.

John 3:36 uses the term 'believe' and 'obey' interchangeably, just FYI.

Also, I'm not in 100% agreement with Gabriel, I just thought he had an interesting take on things.

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Post by claysmithr » Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:25 am

How do I delete this post? Sorry for giving this guy more exposure. I repent! :(

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Post by RickD » Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:37 am

claysmithr wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 7:15 am
I believe that true faith leads to repentance and obedience towards Jesus.

John 3:36 uses the term 'believe' and 'obey' interchangeably, just FYI.

Also, I'm not in 100% agreement with Gabriel, I just thought he had an interesting take on things.

Thanks!

:)
In John 3:36, there are two separate words, that don't mean the same thing.
Pisteuō, and apeitheō.

If I'm not mistaken, pisteuō means to believe in, or to put trust in.
Apeitheō means to refuse or withhold belief. In John 3:36, it's referring to refusing to believe in, or withholding belief in the Gospel.

Maybe someone who knows Greek, can chime in.
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Re: Salvation Equation? Jesus Coming back in 2028?

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Post by RickD » Fri Aug 17, 2018 9:38 am

claysmithr wrote:
Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:25 am
How do I delete this post? Sorry for giving this guy more exposure. I repent! :(
It's never a bad thing to be able to talk about things like this. I'm glad you brought this to light. Maybe it'll save someone from believing this guy.
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Re: Salvation Equation? Jesus Coming back in 2028?

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Post by mrtzur2015 » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:19 pm

The Holy Spirit is the one convicting the world of sin, he is the one leading us to the understanding that we need a savior and cannot to anything to be good enough or save ourselves.
When someone repents they admit they have sinned against a holy and eternal God and that they understand they are dependent on what Jesus has done on the cross for them to be saved.
Once one repents the Holy Spirit will come live with him and help him live a godly life it is by the Holy Spirit that we can do this no one can overcome sin by themselves. And we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us but without him we are just dry brunches waiting to be thrown in the fire.
So it is not what we are doing to be saved but what he has done on the cross. The payment for the worlds sin.
I also believe the world will no longer be condemned for sin because wether they accepted it or not Christ has died and paid for all sin . Now is just a question of weather they have received him or not.

Another thing is that the first will be last and the last will be first , our rewards does depends on how actions and obedience here on earth but it is regardless of salvation
Paul says in 1 Corinthians 3:15 he will be saved but as someone as barely escaping the flames.
As for our salvation the Bible makes it very clear.
Romans 10:9-10.
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