What hominid groups do you consider to be human in addition to Homo Sapiens?

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What hominid groups do you consider to be human in addition to Homo Sapiens?

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Post by thatkidakayoungguy » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:06 pm

The term human gets used differently it seems. Some just call Homo Sapiens as humans, others will extend it farther to include Neanderthal and maybe Densivonan, others still will go as far as to include Homo Erectus, Habilis, Ergaster, Heilderbegensis, Naledi, the Flores Hobbit, Austrailiopithecus, and the other pithecus creatures, to varying degrees.

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Post by thatkidakayoungguy » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:11 pm

Ok so from this image it seems only a handful would be considered human just by looking at the skulls, all the Homo except maybe Habilis and Au. sediba, Au. garhi, and K. platyops maybe.

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Post by RickD » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:21 pm

Only Homo sapiens, with the remote possibility that homosexuals are fully human.
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Post by thatkidakayoungguy » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:46 pm

Oh geez I should of thought of Rick.

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Post by thatkidakayoungguy » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:47 pm

RickD wrote:Only Homo sapiens, with the remote possibility that homosexuals are fully human.
You know preGermanic people actually thought that homosexuals weren't fully human since they had a bad spirit when they became gay.

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Post by patrick » Sat Jun 24, 2017 5:22 am

All our nearest ancestors are dead, so I don't know. In theory I'd consider any that resembled homo sapiens in their ability to communicate, possess self-awareness, and be morally responsible.

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Post by DBowling » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:41 am

I consider physically modern humans (species homo sapiens sapiens) to be the earliest potential candidates for 'image bearers of God' as described in Genesis 1:26-27.

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Post by thatkidakayoungguy » Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:49 pm

patrick wrote:All our nearest ancestors are dead, so I don't know. In theory I'd consider any that resembled homo sapiens in their ability to communicate, possess self-awareness, and be morally responsible.
So from what I've gathered, that would be Neanderthal, Densivonan, maybe Flores Hobbit idk, Heilderbergensis, and Erectus, they all had capability for language (except for Den., Flores, and Heild. im not sure about those) self awareness in tool use, boat making (Erectus made simple boats it seems) and fire use along with art or carvings (Neanderthal had art, Erectus seemed to have made simple carvings) http://www.nature.com/news/neanderthals ... rt-1.15805, as for morally responsible we only know about that with Neanderthals as they buried their dead in a way that seems like care was put into it, so like they had ethical reasons behind it. One finding had a then old man of 40 buried with flowers around. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanidar_Cave

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Post by patrick » Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:37 am

That sounds about right, although to be clear the most important of those traits to me is moral responsibility, because of Genesis 3:22. The other two are more general litmus tests because moral sense is much harder to gauge.
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Post by PaulSacramento » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:50 am

Only homo sapiens are humans.

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Post by thatkidakayoungguy » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:36 pm

PaulSacramento wrote:Only homo sapiens are humans.
I've heard people call Neanderthals and Homo Erectus humans, so I guess it depends on who's using it.
In fact in some science circles Neanderthals and Heidelberg man are considered Homo Sapiens along with us, just as different subspecies. H. Heidelbergensis is called archaic Homo Sapiens, which were supposed to live about 600K or so years ago, then came Neanderthal (aka Homo Sapien Neanderthalis) at around 400K or so years, I think Denisovonian, then Homo Sapien idaultu at about 200-150K years, then Homo Sapien Sapien (us), apparently starting at 200-100K years.

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Post by abelcainsbrother » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:49 am

This stuff is easy for me, all of the different hominids except for except for Homo Erectus lived in a totally different world that this world we now live in now and have nothing to do with this world and are not related to any life in this world.They are simply evidence of the kinds of life that once roamed the earth in the former world that once existed that perished.Thanks.
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Post by thatkidakayoungguy » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:21 am

abelcainsbrother wrote:This stuff is easy for me, all of the different hominids except for except for Homo Erectus lived in a totally different world that this world we now live in now and have nothing to do with this world and are not related to any life in this world.They are simply evidence of the kinds of life that once roamed the earth in the former world that once existed that perished.Thanks.
I understand your position but I gotta say why Erectus? Did u mean Sapiens?

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Post by thatkidakayoungguy » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:27 am

At the broadest, I've seen human classification into two groups (three if u have Flores Hobbit as separate). Homo Erectus, including all from Heidelberg Man down to Habilis, and Homo Sapiens, all the rest, sometimes including Heidelberg Man.

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