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Post by Johnny916 » Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:59 pm

Thanks.
These are the books I have now:
The Wisdom in the Hebrew Alphabet (ArtScroll (Mesorah)), HEBREW in 10 minutes a day with CD-ROM, and The First Hebrew Primer: The Adult Beginner's Path to Biblical Hebrew, Third Edition.

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Post by Murray » Wed Aug 31, 2011 2:57 pm

Well I'm a bit late but, Hello and welcome to the site :ebiggrin:
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Post by Johnny916 » Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:01 pm

Thanks! Murray.

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Post by B. W. » Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:03 pm

Johnny916 wrote:Thanks.
These are the books I have now:
The Wisdom in the Hebrew Alphabet (ArtScroll (Mesorah)), HEBREW in 10 minutes a day with CD-ROM, and The First Hebrew Primer: The Adult Beginner's Path to Biblical Hebrew, Third Edition.
I have not read - Wisdom in the Hebrew Alphabet - but know of it. Going along with that book is an interesting chart I attached entitled:

Ancient Hebrew
Reveals Information
In Scripture

Enjoy! and let me know what you think of it :esmile:
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Post by Gman » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:46 am

Johnny916 wrote:My name is Johnathan Argeuelles. I'm an Orthodox Jew (Hasidic Judaism). I only wanted to join this site for fun and to chit-chat about religion or faith. It is fun discussing Judaism with Christians. Ask me anything you will like.
Hi Johnny welcome and shalom.. I'm a messianic Jew. I'm very pleased to have you on the forum.

I have a question for you. What do you believe is the main belief among the Orthodox Jews when it comes to creation. Do many believe in a young earth (literal 6 days) or old earth creation (long years)? I've heard different beliefs from the Orthodox community on this.

P.S. I just got back from Jerusalem a few weeks ago. I absolutely loved it.
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Post by Gman » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:50 am

Danieltwotwenty wrote:Jesus made some pretty big claims, i guess there are really only 3 options either he was who he said he was, he was a liar or he was delusional.
Hi Daniel.. Could you please tone it down a bit here? Johnny isn't here to debate in this kind of way.

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Post by Johnny916 » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:08 pm

This would be difficult to answer. Judaism has a different way of explaining Creation in Genesis and what not. To me I believe the universe and Earth are over billions years old. I do see evolution as a way to explain life but many traditional Jews would be skeptical of evolution. When I say evolution I mean how much can I use without contradicting my views or support of creation in the Tanach.

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Post by Gman » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:24 pm

Johnny916 wrote:This would be difficult to answer. Judaism has a different way of explaining Creation in Genesis and what not. To me I believe the universe and Earth are over billions years old. I do see evolution as a way to explain life but many traditional Jews would be skeptical of evolution. When I say evolution I mean how much can I use without contradicting my views or support of creation in the Tanach.
Johnny it would appear that both Christians and Jews have the same varying beliefs on creation. I too find it hard to find a consensus among the communities. ;)

I have found that many who are Orthodox seem to believe in the young earth view however. I could be wrong about that however.. Many conservative Christians are young earth creationists. They often come here to tell us how wrong we are about the scriptures. :roll:
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Post by Johnny916 » Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:52 pm

You would really have to study to see what the Jewish idea behind creationism. From what I read and learned Creation is much older then 6,000 years old. I'm not one on dating so, I will be the wrong person to ask about that. In my view creation happened billions or even trillions of years ago. It took a while for everything to set in and come about it. I think I mentioned I try my best to bring some forum of evolution in the picture. Having evolution with creationism is not always east. A while back there was a Q&A at a interfaith club on my college campus. I was one of the Jewish student with Christian and Muslim students being asked about evolution and creation. One person asked "can creation and evolution coexist or is evolution in the bible or qur'an?" We all gave our answers about creation and evolution. Pretty much all of us were skeptical of bringing the two too close together. Because if you do it would start to contradict one another I believe. You have a straight forward set of verses that describes creation and it is difficult to place evolution in the creation story in the bible.

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Post by Danieltwotwenty » Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:32 pm

Gman wrote:
Danieltwotwenty wrote:Jesus made some pretty big claims, i guess there are really only 3 options either he was who he said he was, he was a liar or he was delusional.
Hi Daniel.. Could you please tone it down a bit here? Johnny isn't here to debate in this kind of way.

Thank you,
No worries Gman, i apologise if i caused any offence i was just curious as to how Jewish people view who Jesus was.
I also think i have had a bad week and didnt have my nice hat on, has been a stress filled two weeks sorry Johnny y>:D<
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Post by Gman » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:05 pm

Danieltwotwenty wrote:
Gman wrote:
Danieltwotwenty wrote:Jesus made some pretty big claims, i guess there are really only 3 options either he was who he said he was, he was a liar or he was delusional.
Hi Daniel.. Could you please tone it down a bit here? Johnny isn't here to debate in this kind of way.

Thank you,
No worries Gman, i apologise if i caused any offence i was just curious as to how Jewish people view who Jesus was.
I also think i have had a bad week and didnt have my nice hat on, has been a stress filled two weeks sorry Johnny y>:D<
No problems Dan.. One thing I can tell you why Jews don't except Jesus is the anti-Semitic views that stem out of Christianity. Unfortunately Christians have pretty much destroyed the bond between Christians and Jews. A bond that was never meant to be broken. Christians, in my opinion, need to stand with the Jews and the Jewish state of Israel. To the end if need be...
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Post by Danieltwotwenty » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:10 pm

I totally agree Gman, as a person with Jewsish heratige myself i know how anti-Semetic some Christains can be and in no way was i trying to be anti-semetic.
I just worry that they are making a huge mistake by rejecting Jesus, but as fellow believers in God the Father i will stand by their side as i would do the same for a Christain.
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Post by Gman » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:18 pm

Johnny916 wrote: We all gave our answers about creation and evolution. Pretty much all of us were skeptical of bringing the two too close together. Because if you do it would start to contradict one another I believe. You have a straight forward set of verses that describes creation and it is difficult to place evolution in the creation story in the bible.
Yes, there is a point where you get too much of one or the other where both seem to cancel the other out. It's tricky.. I for one just can't see how we got here via a "chance" guided evolution.. Science cannot explain it.

Johnny, what are your opinions of this website G-d and Science? Do you think we bring insight from the Hebrew perspective? Just curious..

Thanks
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Post by Johnny916 » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:20 pm

Why do you guys support the state of Israel? I'm a Jew against Zionism. Yes, I know I would have to mention some time are another. As I mentioned before I'm very in-tune with my faith. Therefore I'm influenced by Jews who disagree with Zionism.

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Post by Johnny916 » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:21 pm

Gman wrote:
Johnny916 wrote: We all gave our answers about creation and evolution. Pretty much all of us were skeptical of bringing the two too close together. Because if you do it would start to contradict one another I believe. You have a straight forward set of verses that describes creation and it is difficult to place evolution in the creation story in the bible.
Yes, there is a point where you get too much of one or the other where both seem to cancel the other out. It's tricky.. I for one just can't see how we got here via a "chance" guided evolution.. Science cannot explain it.

Johnny, what are your opinions of this website G-d and Science? Do you think we bring insight from the Hebrew perspective? Just curious..

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I wouldn't agree with everything. But it seems to be a warm welcoming site that is laid out nicely. I would disagree with many of the principles of belief on the homepage. Like the Trinity and what not.

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