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Re: Proof of God: "I want PROOF!"

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:50 pm
by Kenny
RickD wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:36 pm
Kenny wrote:
Metaphysical proof? Metaphysics is philosophy. Philosophy doesn’t provide proof, it asks questions, and raises the possibility of different concepts, that may eventually lead to answers; but physical proof isn’t going to be solved via metaphysics or any other branch of philosophy. I can understand a person attaining subjective answers through the use of philosophy, but as far as getting physical proof, you aren’t going to get this through philosophy.
You are conflating evidence and proof again. Physical evidence, relates to the scientific method. Metaphysics deals with proof.

And again Kenny, there is proof for God. Just because you don't/can't understand the difference, that doesn't mean it isn't true.
Can you provide metaphysical proof of something else concerning the physical world that does not include God?

Re: Proof of God: "I want PROOF!"

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:12 pm
by RickD
Kenny wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:50 pm
RickD wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:36 pm
Kenny wrote:
Metaphysical proof? Metaphysics is philosophy. Philosophy doesn’t provide proof, it asks questions, and raises the possibility of different concepts, that may eventually lead to answers; but physical proof isn’t going to be solved via metaphysics or any other branch of philosophy. I can understand a person attaining subjective answers through the use of philosophy, but as far as getting physical proof, you aren’t going to get this through philosophy.
You are conflating evidence and proof again. Physical evidence, relates to the scientific method. Metaphysics deals with proof.

And again Kenny, there is proof for God. Just because you don't/can't understand the difference, that doesn't mean it isn't true.
Can you provide metaphysical proof of something else concerning the physical world that does not include God?
I'm not a philosophy expert, but maybe the Law of Non-Contradiction.

Re: Proof of God: "I want PROOF!"

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:05 pm
by Kenny
Philip wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:46 pm
Or C) the answer is something you or I are completely unaware of. I think it would be a mistake to limit the possibilities of the physical world to what you currently know of it.
The problem with that answer is, it offers nothing but imaginative speculation.
It's not an answer, it's an admission of not having an answer.

Re: Proof of God: "I want PROOF!"

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:17 pm
by Kenny
RickD wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:12 pm
Kenny wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:50 pm
RickD wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:36 pm
Kenny wrote:
Metaphysical proof? Metaphysics is philosophy. Philosophy doesn’t provide proof, it asks questions, and raises the possibility of different concepts, that may eventually lead to answers; but physical proof isn’t going to be solved via metaphysics or any other branch of philosophy. I can understand a person attaining subjective answers through the use of philosophy, but as far as getting physical proof, you aren’t going to get this through philosophy.
You are conflating evidence and proof again. Physical evidence, relates to the scientific method. Metaphysics deals with proof.

And again Kenny, there is proof for God. Just because you don't/can't understand the difference, that doesn't mean it isn't true.
Can you provide metaphysical proof of something else concerning the physical world that does not include God?
I'm not a philosophy expert, but maybe the Law of Non-Contradiction.
The idea that something can't be both "X" and "not X" at the same time? But I think that falls under the category of one of the laws of logic, rather than metaphysics.
https://study.com/academy/lesson/the-th ... logic.html

Re: Proof of God: "I want PROOF!"

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:28 pm
by Byblos
Kenny wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:17 pm
RickD wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:12 pm
Kenny wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:50 pm
RickD wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:36 pm
Kenny wrote:
Metaphysical proof? Metaphysics is philosophy. Philosophy doesn’t provide proof, it asks questions, and raises the possibility of different concepts, that may eventually lead to answers; but physical proof isn’t going to be solved via metaphysics or any other branch of philosophy. I can understand a person attaining subjective answers through the use of philosophy, but as far as getting physical proof, you aren’t going to get this through philosophy.
You are conflating evidence and proof again. Physical evidence, relates to the scientific method. Metaphysics deals with proof.

And again Kenny, there is proof for God. Just because you don't/can't understand the difference, that doesn't mean it isn't true.
Can you provide metaphysical proof of something else concerning the physical world that does not include God?
I'm not a philosophy expert, but maybe the Law of Non-Contradiction.
The idea that something can't be both "X" and "not X" at the same time? But I think that falls under the category of one of the laws of logic, rather than metaphysics.
https://study.com/academy/lesson/the-th ... logic.html
Lol Kenny, and what do you think the laws of logic are (if not metaphysics)? They can be summed up in two principles: 1. The law of non-contradiction and 2. The Principle of Sufficient Reason. Note that the law of excluded middle is sort of the mirror image of the law of non-contradiction but it can stand on its own as a 3rd principle.

Re: Proof of God: "I want PROOF!"

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:50 pm
by Kenny
Byblos wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:28 pm
Kenny wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:17 pm
RickD wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:12 pm
Kenny wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:50 pm
RickD wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:36 pm

You are conflating evidence and proof again. Physical evidence, relates to the scientific method. Metaphysics deals with proof.

And again Kenny, there is proof for God. Just because you don't/can't understand the difference, that doesn't mean it isn't true.
Can you provide metaphysical proof of something else concerning the physical world that does not include God?
I'm not a philosophy expert, but maybe the Law of Non-Contradiction.
The idea that something can't be both "X" and "not X" at the same time? But I think that falls under the category of one of the laws of logic, rather than metaphysics.
https://study.com/academy/lesson/the-th ... logic.html
Lol Kenny, and what do you think the laws of logic are (if not metaphysics)?
Metaphysics is philosophy. I think there is a bit of a difference between logic and philosophy.

Re: Proof of God: "I want PROOF!"

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 9:28 pm
by RickD
Kenny wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:50 pm
Byblos wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:28 pm
Kenny wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:17 pm
RickD wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:12 pm
Kenny wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:50 pm

Can you provide metaphysical proof of something else concerning the physical world that does not include God?
I'm not a philosophy expert, but maybe the Law of Non-Contradiction.
The idea that something can't be both "X" and "not X" at the same time? But I think that falls under the category of one of the laws of logic, rather than metaphysics.
https://study.com/academy/lesson/the-th ... logic.html
Lol Kenny, and what do you think the laws of logic are (if not metaphysics)?
Metaphysics is philosophy. I think there is a bit of a difference between logic and philosophy.
Why do I get the strange feeling that the ghost of Allen Funt is going to walk through my door?
:shock:

Re: Proof of God: "I want PROOF!"

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:12 am
by Byblos
Kenny wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:50 pm
Byblos wrote:
Mon Jan 28, 2019 2:28 pm
Kenny wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 5:17 pm
RickD wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:12 pm
Kenny wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:50 pm

Can you provide metaphysical proof of something else concerning the physical world that does not include God?
I'm not a philosophy expert, but maybe the Law of Non-Contradiction.
The idea that something can't be both "X" and "not X" at the same time? But I think that falls under the category of one of the laws of logic, rather than metaphysics.
https://study.com/academy/lesson/the-th ... logic.html
Lol Kenny, and what do you think the laws of logic are (if not metaphysics)?
Metaphysics is philosophy. I think there is a bit of a difference between logic and philosophy.
This pretty much sums up every single conversation I've ever had with you. :shakehead:

Re: Proof of God: "I want PROOF!"

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:10 pm
by PaulSacramento
Metaphysics is philosophy. I think there is a bit of a difference between logic and philosophy.
Sure, philosophy starts were logic ends. LOL

phi·los·o·phyDictionary result for philosophy
/fəˈläsəfē/Submit
noun
the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline

The difference between WHAT we know and HOW we know it.
The complement each other, they are NOT opposites.

Re: Proof of God: "I want PROOF!"

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:13 pm
by Kenny
PaulSacramento wrote:
Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:10 pm
Metaphysics is philosophy. I think there is a bit of a difference between logic and philosophy.
Sure, philosophy starts were logic ends. LOL

phi·los·o·phyDictionary result for philosophy
/fəˈläsəfē/Submit
noun
the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline

The difference between WHAT we know and HOW we know it.
The complement each other, they are NOT opposites.
True; I wouldn't say they are opposites.