RickD wrote: ↑It's beyond consistent logic, why you'd assume that the universe has always existed. You have consistently argued from science being the rationale behind what you believe.
Kenny wrote: I disagree! I’ve never said that or even implied that. I think I’ve been very clear; I would be as skeptical of scientific claims as I am of religious claims or anything else if it doesn’t make sense to me. I have not disagreed with science to the extent of religious claims, but that’s because 99% of what science puts out makes total sense to me; and the majority of what religions put out does not. As I’ve said many times before; don’t assume that because science says it, I blindly accept it. Science has gotten it wrong countless times, they are constantly dispelling theories they thought were true when new information shows them it was not; as I said before, I believe science gives us the best information they have at the time; and that is all I ask of them; but I do not accept scientific claims the way you guys accept religious claims.
You just said that the speculation you provided assumes the universe has always existed. You said it right here:
Second; the speculation I provided assumes the Universe (Universe defied as “all that exists”) has always existed; that there was never a point in history when absolutely nothing existed. This means there has, always been an isolated system which would mean the 1st law of Thermodynamics/Conservation of Energy has always been in place
You have nothing left to be the basis of your argument. You must have matter that's eternal and non-contingent. Basically, you deny an eternal God, as an uncaused cause, an unmoved mover. And think that maybe matter is eternal.
You deny the very tool(metaphysics) which proves you are wrong.
And by the way, religious claims and metaphysics are not the same thing. These are religious claims:
1) Allah is The one true God, and Muhammad is his messenger
2) Only by God's grace, through faith in Christ, can one have everlasting life
3) one must obey the 10 commandments
Those claims aren't proven by metaphysics.
It seems you're conflating claims of faith, with metaphysics.