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Saul of Tarsus

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Post by IRQ Conflict » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:57 am

When the Bible says Paul was blameless according to the law, was it referring to the Jewish (mans) law? It must have been no?

Obviously, The Mosaic Law handed down by God says something bout not killing right? I know I know dumb question...
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Post by bizzt » Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:07 am

IRQ Conflict wrote:When the Bible says Paul was blameless according to the law, was it referring to the Jewish (mans) law? It must have been no?

Obviously, The Mosaic Law handed down by God says something bout not killing right? I know I know dumb question...
What Verse??

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Post by FFC » Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:08 am

bizzt wrote:
IRQ Conflict wrote:When the Bible says Paul was blameless according to the law, was it referring to the Jewish (mans) law? It must have been no?

Obviously, The Mosaic Law handed down by God says something bout not killing right? I know I know dumb question...
What Verse??
Exodus 20:13

Thou shalt not kill?
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Act 9:6
And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do?

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Post by bizzt » Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:40 pm

I was talking about the first question... Where Paul was blameless according to the Law...

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Post by IRQ Conflict » Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:34 pm

Php 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
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Post by FFC » Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:42 am

It is interesting that he said he was blameless according to the law, but also a chief sinner. Of course I'm sure he got a little clearer perspective after God saved him.
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Post by bizzt » Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:41 am

Let's read a little more shall we :)

Phi 3:4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
Phi 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
Phi 3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
Phi 3:7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Phi 3:8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,


He was talking about Confidence in the Flesh and was comparing with other Men. He was basically a Pharisee who was High and Mighty in the Jewish Culture. He lived by the Book of the Law and believed he was perfect in the Law (Mosaic Law). These things were considered gain in stature but when Paul came to Christ they were counted as Loss...

Here is some more about the verse from Barnes:
Phi 3:6 -
Concerning zeal, persecuting the church - Showing the greatness of my zeal for the religion which I believed to be true, by persecuting those whom I considered to be in dangerous error. Zeal was supposed to be, as it is, an important part of religion; see 2Ki_10:16; Psa_69:9; Psa_119:139; Isa_59:17; Rom_10:2. Paul says that he had shown the highest degree of zeal that was possible. He had gone so far in his attachment for the religion of his fathers, as to pursue with purposes of death those who had departed from it, and who had embraced a different form of belief. If any, therefore, could hope for salvation on the ground of extraordinary devotedness to religion, he said that he could.
Touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless - So far as the righteousness which can be obtained by obeying the law is concerned. It is not needful to suppose here that he refers merely to the ceremonial law; but the meaning is, that he did all that could be done to obtain salvation by the mere observance of law. It was supposed by the Jews, and especially by the Pharisees, to which sect he belonged, that it was possible to be saved in that way; and Paul says that he had done all that was supposed to be necessary for that. We are not to imagine that, when he penned this declaration, he meant to be understood as saying that he had wholly complied with the law of God; but that, before his conversion, he supposed that he had done all that was necessary to be done in order to be saved by the observance of law he neglected no duty that he understood it to enjoin. He was not guilty of deliberately violating it.
He led a moral and strictly upright life, and no one had occasion to “blame” or to accuse him as a violator of the law of God. There is every reason to believe that Paul, before his conversion, was a young man of correct deportment, of upright life, of entire integrity; and that he was free from the indulgences of vice and passion, into which young people often fall. In all that he ever says of himself as being “the chief of sinners,” and as being “unworthy to be called an apostle,” he never gives the least intimation that his early life was stained by vice, or corrupted by licentious passions. On the contrary, we are left to the fair presumption that, if any man could be saved by his own works, he was that man. This fact should be allowed to make its proper impression on those who are seeking salvation in the same way; and they should be willing to inquire whether they may not be deceived in the matter, as he was, and whether they are not in as much real danger in depending on their own righteousness, as was this most upright and zealous young man.

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