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Re: The Rich

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Post by RickD » Tue Aug 07, 2012 6:52 pm

Murray wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote: The issue is WHAT are YOU doing for those 6 figures.
working as a welder for halliburton in williston north dakota.
HALLIBURTON? Well, that's a completely different story. You sold your soul to the devil, for the almighty dollar. You're definitely going straight to hell! :pound:

In all seriousness, if you can glorify God while working for a company like Halliburton, you deserve sainthood on par with Mother Teresa!
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Re: The Rich

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Post by Zionist » Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:14 pm

@murray
listen to the other guys here and don't listen to that guy that is feeding you nonsense for three hours. God does not get mad at us for working hard and getting paid well for doing so like everyone else mentioned loving money is the root of all evil not money itself. if you're working hard, making an honest living and putting God first and foremost than there is no problem Murray. don't let some fanatic feed you garbage. as FL mentioned there are many rich people in the bible so the guy supposedly preaching to you must not read the bible for himself. God is blessing you because he knows what you can handle murray so remember that God has a plan for you and knows that you can handle the riches and use it for His glory :) don't let anyone tell you otherwise brother!
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Re: The Rich

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Post by Ivellious » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:00 pm

While I certainly don't think it is bad for a Christian to have money and live a comfortable lifestyle, I would caution against just saying that "people in the Bible are rich, therefore it's ok." I mean, King Solomon might have been praised by God, but he also had indiscriminate sex and 700+ wives and 300+ concubines and ultimately turned his back on the Jewish God altogether...yeah, sounds like a great role model for a Christian. Plus I can't find any evidence that Solomon ever even existed, much less ruled any kind of empire, so that in itself is shaky ground for a role model.

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Re: The Rich

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Post by Ivellious » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:11 pm

Solomon - the richest man in the world, ever
For the record, I can't even find a biblical scholar that supports this, much less any archaeological evidence outside the Bible (and not even the Bible comes close to saying he was the richest ever). Where in the world do you get the idea that the leader of a city-state was the richest man ever?

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Re: The Rich

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Post by neo-x » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:58 pm

Murray, wealth is not a problem of salvation. How you use your wealth is another issue entirely and that is between you and God. The issue as Paul pointed out is simple, you can not worship God and money at the same time, so whatever you make of your wealth, just let it not rule over you for that always leads to corruption. Rejoice for the good things God has given you, help those who you can and let your conscious be clear when you go to bed.

Let me tell you something, I saw a catholic priest here in my city, he has a big mansion, 4 cars, really rich guy. 30 feet away from his pearly shining gates there is a small cottage with a very poor family living there, two people died in that house with tuberculosis, one old woman died of starvation. The girl, one of the two people who died, was 26 years old at the time of her death and weighed only 40 pounds. The rich priest next door simply never cared. So much for "love your neighbor", right. That is the point which one should not fall down to.

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And about Solomon: Ivel, the Bible mentions Solomon's wisdom and wealth in an almost superhuman way. While I have no doubt of his existence and kingship, I do not think he was the wisest and wealthiest of all time. Plus Israel under Solomon was one of the wealthiest nations of its time, but that was a period of half century and after the shining in its hay day, it all slowly went down to the point where Judah was captivated and exiled later. Solomon's wealth in the Bible is in comparison with his neighbours so treat it in that context. Some people, probably because of the simplicity of the Sunday school teachings have carried the notion of all wise and rich to heart without ever questioning it.
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Re: The Rich

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Post by Furstentum Liechtenstein » Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:56 am

Ivellious wrote:While I certainly don't think it is bad for a Christian to have money and live a comfortable lifestyle, I would caution against just saying that "people in the Bible are rich, therefore it's ok." I mean, King Solomon might have been praised by God, but he also had indiscriminate sex and 700+ wives and 300+ concubines and ultimately turned his back on the Jewish God altogether...yeah, sounds like a great role model for a Christian. Plus I can't find any evidence that Solomon ever even existed, much less ruled any kind of empire, so that in itself is shaky ground for a role model.
I was once an atheist, so I understand your specious objections about Solomon's existence.

I never said that Solomon was a great role model for Christians. How did you ever manage to come to that conclusion?! :scratch: I was pointing out that wealth does not exclude one from salvation. And, I may add, in the case of Solomon's 1000+ girlfriends, sin does not exclude one from salvation.

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Re: The Rich

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Post by PaulSacramento » Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:32 am

Murray wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote: The issue is WHAT are YOU doing for those 6 figures.
working as a welder for halliburton in williston north dakota.
Welder?
The foot soldier of satan !!!!!




I say that as a former ASME certified welder :lol:

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Re: The Rich

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Post by jlay » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:40 am

Recently I had to endure a spew of interesting thoughts on my new career path and why i'm evil and going to hell because I hate the poor and love money. In YOUR opinion does making 6 figures make me a terrible person? I've always lived by " If I love god more than my money and at all times Tithe I am not in danger". But for about 3 hours I had pounded into my head that I need to make money save it, then give it all away and then "carry my cross" and live in poverty, so I can follow jesus correctly, or else I do not love jesus and I hate the poor. So obviously I'm a little distressed right now because I've just been told I cannot go to heaven If I make too much money, and also that working for an oil company is not serving god or carrying my cross and shows that it's how I am not a true christian. So I guess my question is am a Evil person for seeking success?
Yes it is true, unless of course you send me 10% of your money, then it's ok. :pound:

Your friend sounds like a confues self-righteous nut. Jesus said it is possible with God. Read the context.
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Re: The Rich

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Post by Ivellious » Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:44 am

I was once an atheist, so I understand your specious objections about Solomon's existence.
I should clarify, considering I chose my words badly. I don't necessarily doubt his existence, but certainly not in the way that the Bible describes him. Again, even biblical scholars seem to lean toward his story being much embellished considering archaeological evidence. Considering Egypt and Greece and Babylon and so on were far more successful and powerful in that same era, it just seems to be a stretch to say he was everything the Bible said.
Solomon's wealth in the Bible is in comparison with his neighbours so treat it in that context.
That makes more sense. Perhaps as far as his people knew he was the richest man alive, but there have clearly been far more successful/powerful/rich leaders before and after Solomon.

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Re: The Rich

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Post by Furstentum Liechtenstein » Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:44 pm

Ivellious wrote:I should clarify, considering I chose my words badly. I don't necessarily doubt his existence, but certainly not in the way that the Bible describes him. Again, even biblical scholars seem to lean toward his story being much embellished considering archaeological evidence. Considering Egypt and Greece and Babylon and so on were far more successful and powerful in that same era, it just seems to be a stretch to say he was everything the Bible said.
Oh...sorry. I assumed you doubted Solomon's very existence. For a moment there, I thought you were smoking something stronger than cigarettes. y@-)

As far as wealth is concerned, personal wealth isn't tied to national wealth. To wit: the richest man in the world is from a third world country, Carlos Slim.

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Re: The Rich

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Post by Dallas » Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:27 am

Murray wrote: In YOUR opinion does making 6 figures make me a terrible person?
Man, that's a lot of money. I was raised as a poor child, livng off less than 20k a year. No money in the house for sure lol. In all seriousness, just because you make money doesn't mean you you're a bad person. Don't take this in a political standpoint (even though it should happen) the more you have, the more you can give. The only and I mean only thing that can make you a terrible person is if you have all of this money and you just keep it for yourself. Right? Remember this phrase "Sharing is caring." A little cliche, but it is true to the core. I pray this will help, even though it didn't :(.

Just remember and never forget "Sharing is Caring!" Even if make six figures or barely a figure. It'll work out in the end if it's for the Glory of God.
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Re: The Rich

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Post by Murray » Tue Aug 14, 2012 10:51 am

RickD wrote:
Murray wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote: The issue is WHAT are YOU doing for those 6 figures.
working as a welder for halliburton in williston north dakota.
HALLIBURTON? Well, that's a completely different story. You sold your soul to the devil, for the almighty dollar. You're definitely going straight to hell! :pound:

In all seriousness, if you can glorify God while working for a company like Halliburton, you deserve sainthood on par with Mother Teresa!
I have nothing bad to say about Halliburton. They gave so many people jobs in this economy, saved a lot of families, helped build communities, saved families from losing their houses. If corporate greed is doing all this good, can't say i'm complaining.
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Re: The Rich

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Post by RickD » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:52 am

I have nothing bad to say about Halliburton.
Of course you don't, Murray. One wouldn't want to bite the hand that feeds, would one? y:-?
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Re: The Rich

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Post by Murray » Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:51 pm

RickD wrote:
I have nothing bad to say about Halliburton.
Of course you don't, Murray. One wouldn't want to bite the hand that feeds, would one? y:-?
If the hand feeding me barley fed me and mistreated me then I probably would.
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Post by RickD » Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:36 pm

Murray wrote:
RickD wrote:
I have nothing bad to say about Halliburton.
Of course you don't, Murray. One wouldn't want to bite the hand that feeds, would one? y:-?
If the hand feeding me barley fed me and mistreated me then I probably would.
Yes, I could see why you'd want to say something if you were "barley fed". Barley is good horse food , but not great people food. :beat:
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