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Post by Philip » Mon May 24, 2021 5:22 pm

I think this video needs some clarification - what do you guys think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx0shE3PQkM

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Philip wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 5:22 pm
I think this video needs some clarification - what do you guys think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx0shE3PQkM
Seems pretty clear to me. Heiser is preaching a false gospel.

Thank you for posting this.
John 5:24
24 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.


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Post by Philip » Mon May 24, 2021 7:38 pm

I agree, Rick - as it appears he's latched onto the defenseless position of TEMPORARY eternal life (the ultimate oxymoron!) and/or that our only hope of "maintaining" our salvation lies within our own questionable ability to remain in faith through our own human efforts. And no one could ever have any certainty in such a shaky premise!

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Philip wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 5:22 pm
I think this video needs some clarification - what do you guys think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx0shE3PQkM
Watched the whole thing, and have no idea where this conclusion comes from. He never once uttered anything close to "temporary eternal life" (whatever that means). What he said is if you believe in God, you are saved, if you don't you do not. These are literally his exact words (9:35-9:42). This is the Biblical prerequisite for salvation, too, so it's not heresy or whatever: "For God so loved the world that He gave His unique Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life"; "...because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved"; "And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under Heaven given among men by which we must be saved"; etc. etc.

So yeah, I have no idea what the issue is supposed to be with Doctor Heiser.

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Post by RickD » Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:35 am

Evan wrote:
Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:23 am
Philip wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 5:22 pm
I think this video needs some clarification - what do you guys think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx0shE3PQkM
Watched the whole thing, and have no idea where this conclusion comes from. He never once uttered anything close to "temporary eternal life" (whatever that means). What he said is if you believe in God, you are saved, if you don't you do not. These are literally his exact words (9:35-9:42). This is the Biblical prerequisite for salvation, too, so it's not heresy or whatever: "For God so loved the world that He gave His unique Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life"; "...because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved"; "And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under Heaven given among men by which we must be saved"; etc. etc.

So yeah, I have no idea what the issue is supposed to be with Doctor Heiser.
He said that if one stops believing, one is no longer saved. In other words, one believes, passes from death to life(John 5:24) and has eternal life. Then one stops believing, and no longer has eternal life.

So, what do you call eternal life that’s not eternal, as Heiser preaches?
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Post by claysmithr » Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:26 pm

I'm sorry Rick, but the bible does not state you can accept Jesus then live like an apostate heathen and still make heaven. God also told me there are some that think they are Christians but aren't going to make it either, as Matthew 7:21 states. God judges us not how we start our lives, but how we finish. Ezekiel 18:24-28

Luke 13:24 - Many will try to enter and NOT be able to

You have to be a true Christian until death, and a true Christian will not be making a practice of sin. Sure, we sin occasionally, and unintentionally, but we don't make it our lifestyle.

Romans 6:1-2
Hebrews 10:26-27

My advice is to have a good read through of the NT epistles, they make things very clear.

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Clay: You have to be a true Christian until death
Now, as for those who end up in Heaven, during the period between the moment of their salvation and their last breath as on earth, WHOSE efforts do you believe maintain a saved person's salvation until death??? Because it would seem Clay thinks that effort is up to the person - and yet that directly contradicts Philippians 1:6 and would make the Apostle Paul out to be a foolish dreamer that was spreading false hope and belief!

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Post by RickD » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:56 am

claysmithr wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:26 pm
I'm sorry Rick, but the bible does not state you can accept Jesus then live like an apostate heathen and still make heaven. God also told me there are some that think they are Christians but aren't going to make it either, as Matthew 7:21 states. God judges us not how we start our lives, but how we finish. Ezekiel 18:24-28

Luke 13:24 - Many will try to enter and NOT be able to

You have to be a true Christian until death, and a true Christian will not be making a practice of sin. Sure, we sin occasionally, and unintentionally, but we don't make it our lifestyle.

Romans 6:1-2
Hebrews 10:26-27

My advice is to have a good read through of the NT epistles, they make things very clear.
Inside of all this cherry picking of scripture, I don’t see an answer to my question. Let’s try again.

So, what do you call eternal life that’s not eternal, as Heiser preaches?
John 5:24
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Post by Philip » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:22 am

Rick: Inside of all this cherry picking of scripture, I don’t see an answer to my question. Let’s try again.

So, what do you call eternal life that’s not eternal, as Heiser preaches?
Here are the dictionary choices for the word "Eternal":

Eternal Synonyms: Durable, enduring, lasting, imperishable, indefectible, indestructible, indissoluble, inexpungible, timeless, abiding, stable,steadfast, steady, unfailing, unfaltering, continual, continuing, continuous, incessant, unbroken, unceasing, uninterrupted, unremitting, endless, everlasting, deathless, never-dying, ceaseless, perpetual, undying, ceaseless

Eternal Antonyms: Impermanent, mortal, temporary, transient, ephemeral, temporal, fleeting, evanescent, sublunary.

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Post by RickD » Wed Jun 23, 2021 9:23 am

Philip,

I’ve yet to hear anyone who doesn’t believe in eternal security, explain John 3:16.
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Post by claysmithr » Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:45 pm

Eternal life is a gift, but it's up to us to accept it or reject it. God judges us based upon the final condition of our soul upon death. Ezekiel 18:24-28

Lets look what it says right after John 3:16

John 3:18 - ESV
but whoever does not believe is condemned already
What I'm trying to point out here, is that if you accept Christ, but then die as an unbeliever, God will judge you as an unbeliever. This is my main point.

Our friend DBowling would argue, they were never truly Christian to begin with. 1 John 2:19

My minor points I would like to add that there are clear warnings in scripture that say not to practice sin, not to deny Jesus Christ before men Matthew 10:33, there are people who will say 'Lord Lord!' and consider themselves Christian and will not make it because they practice sin, and that we are to keep the faith until our deaths. - Revelation 2:10

I would also like to add that salvation is by faith, not by works lest any man should boast.

The true Christian will be on the narrow road of sanctification to a salvation kept and guarded by the blood of Jesus Christ. All we are asked to do is have faith.

God has set a day of judgement for all people, including Christians. The difference is that we have an advocate with the Father, his blood cleanses us from all sin and he clothes us in his righteousness!

To those who claim to be Christian by their works but practice sin, Jesus will simply say he never knew them! To those who deny Jesus before men, Jesus will deny them before the Father. To those who once claimed to be Christian but fell away, there's nothing left for them but judgement.
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Post by RickD » Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:05 pm

I’m not addressing any of that until you explain John 3:16 in light of your belief that someone can lose eternal life.


16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Again, whoever believes(trusts) in Christ, has eternal life. If a person has believed in Christ, he is regenerate and has eternal life. God has transformed that person, and he is a new creature in Christ. No sin this person could perform, which includes ceasing belief, can change that. Your claim that someone can have temporary eternal life, makes a mockery of the cross of Christ, and God’s power to keep those who are His, despite our failures. What kind of weak God do you believe in, that cannot keep His promise?
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Post by Philip » Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:16 pm

Rick: What kind of weak God do you believe in, that cannot keep His promise?
AMEN!!! And how could anyone ever have confidence in their salvation, not knowing if they might fall away during a time of great stress or whatever?

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