Just some opinions on so-called "Christian Numerology"

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Just some opinions on so-called "Christian Numerology"

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Post by Floatingaxehead » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:31 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/science/2017/09/ ... claim.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act ... b7abb13d6b
I only came across this because several questions asking about this this ended up in my Quora feed.
Of course, there are objections.
Ed Stetzer, a professor and executive director of Wheaton College’s Billy Graham Center for Evangelism, first took issue with how Meade is described in some media articles.

“There’s no such thing as a Christian numerologist,” he told The Post. “You basically got a made-up expert in a made-up field talking about a made-up event.… It sort of justifies that there’s a special secret number codes in the Bible that nobody believes.”
(Taken from the WP article)
And the wonderfully titled:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/edstet ... -news.html
Personally, I am surprised that Fox and the Washington Post even considered the story "newsworthy," and makes me think about the kind of damage bringing any attention to this could do.
Other than that, what are your opinions on ["Christian"] Numerologists?
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Re: Just some opinions on so-called "Christian Numerology"

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Post by RickD » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:30 am

My opinion on "Christian" numerologists, is that their days are numbered.
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Re: Just some opinions on so-called "Christian Numerology"

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Post by PaulSacramento » Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:34 am

The bible explicitly teaches AGAINST trying to predict the future.

Deuteronomy 18:10b-12a “anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, 12 for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord.”
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Post by Davy » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:18 am

The Washington Post is such Leftist media today that their stance is basically anti-Christian, so I wouldn't pay attention to what they say anyway. Same goes for the New York Times, LA Times, Chicago Tribune, Time, Newsweek, etc. Bill Clinton's Georgetown history professor (which Clinton endorsed in his inaugural speech) revealed in a 1960's book that the American "Round Table" group sought to get control of the top 25 American newspapers, and if they could they would have all the other news outlets (in Tragedy and Hope).

Fox used to be trustworthy, but since it's owned by a liberal (Rupert Murdoch), and Fox's last CEO resigned in 2016 because of a sexual harassment case, and Murdoch took the CEO position, it's gone Left like the other American TV news media.

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Post by Davy » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:28 am

It's important to distinguish between numerology and Biblical number symbolism.

It would make sense that a non-Christian who doesn't understand simple Biblical numerics would wrongly claim Christians are playing with numerology. In Biblical numerics, 40 represents a period of probation, 5 represents grace, etc. That's not numerology.

Now the Jewish mysticism called the Kabbalah does... play around with numerology. It's called Gematria. Each Hebrew letter has an assigned number value, and when you add up the numbers making a word it supposedly gives a specific meaning. That's actually an occult system by those seeking special knowledge, when we're supposed to actually read and heed what God's Word says with understanding, and not by some math formula.

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Post by RickD » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:41 am

Davy wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:18 am
The Washington Post is such Leftist media today that their stance is basically anti-Christian, so I wouldn't pay attention to what they say anyway. Same goes for the New York Times, LA Times, Chicago Tribune, Time, Newsweek, etc. Bill Clinton's Georgetown history professor (which Clinton endorsed in his inaugural speech) revealed in a 1960's book that the American "Round Table" group sought to get control of the top 25 American newspapers, and if they could they would have all the other news outlets (in Tragedy and Hope).

Fox used to be trustworthy, but since it's owned by a liberal (Rupert Murdoch), and Fox's last CEO resigned in 2016 because of a sexual harassment case, and Murdoch took the CEO position, it's gone Left like the other American TV news media.
Fox has gone left? You haven't watched FoxNews recently, have you?

Fox used to be more balanced. Now they've gone too far right, maybe feeling the need to "balance" the other left-leaning mainstream media.
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RickD wrote:
Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:41 am

Fox has gone left? You haven't watched FoxNews recently, have you?

Fox used to be more balanced. Now they've gone too far right, maybe feeling the need to "balance" the other left-leaning mainstream media.
Yeah, which is why Fox has reporters like this supporting some woman's say against Kavanaugh and after 30 years suddenly has the guts to yell sexual harassment:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/ ... women.html

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Post by RickD » Thu Sep 20, 2018 11:17 am

Linkie no workie.
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Post by Philip » Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:57 pm

Rick: Fox used to be more balanced. Now they've gone too far right, maybe feeling the need to "balance" the other left-leaning mainstream media.
Actually, Fox is doing just doing what CNN, MSNBC, channels pandering to the left do. In an effort to grow their audiences, what does this most effectively is to keep giving the audience more of the "red meat" issues that fire up interest. And balanced pieces don't generate that type of viewing fervor. So the more left various networks go, the more right others will. And they will hardly ever criticize those politicians they pander to their audience over. Most every topic is viewed through an extremist political lens, because that's what draws in the most viewers and thus advertisers! So, these news brands like to play political topics as if they are covering sports team rivalries - in which they want to gain loyal viewers by constantly trashing the rivals of the home team's politics (whatever political bent they tend to favor in stories). They don't want you to just dislike the other political team members, they want you frothing at the mouth so as to absolutely hate them. Even the commentators like Hannity and Tucker Carlson - you can see the contempt and hatred they have for those they don't politically like. So, often, the audience is being played and hyper-partisanly stirred up. It's why I can only watch so much of any news programs - even though some tend to be far more partisan than others.

But the battles they stir up and techniques of these news shows are often feeding our divisions as people. Compromise isn't ALL bad - I mean, the U.S. system SHOULD have cooperation between opposing parties - but it's been made out like coming to positions both parties can live with is ALWAYS akin to defeat and surrender. Yes, there are things that one must make a stand on without compromise. But imagine if we took a no-compromise attitude with friends, family, and co-workers - we couldn't function with such friction, resentment, and stalemates!

To quote that immortal poet, Steve Miller:

"Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right, here I am,
Stuck in the middle with you"

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Post by B. W. » Thu Sep 20, 2018 4:16 pm

September 23rd - what year will it be after this September 23rd?

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