The second coming of Christ

Discussions on Christian eschatology including different views pertaining to Jesus' second coming, rapture and tribulation, the millennium, and so forth.
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Re: The second coming of Christ


Post by Mallz » Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:27 am

abelcainsbrother wrote:
No I'm a pre-trib rapture person but the difference is I believe the anti-christ must be revealed before the rapture happens based on <a class="rtBibleRef" href="" data-reference="2 Thess 2.1-10" data-version="nasb95" data-purpose="bible-reference" target="_blank">2nd Thessalonians 2:1-10</a>.I also believe more prophecies must be fulfilled before the rapture and we are not close to it although we are in the last days.We need to see more prophecies fulfilled is all.
Why do you think the anni christ needs to be revealed first? The day of the Lord (trib) proceeds the revealing of the lil anni, not the 'day of the rapture'. Why do you think other prophecies need to be fulfilled before the rapture? Which ones?

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Re: The second coming of Christ


Post by abelcainsbrother » Sat Jun 04, 2016 10:48 am

crochet1949 wrote:There's also a Matthew 24 passage -- but I'm curious as to what other prophesies you see that must be fulfilled before the rapture.
Also there Is a difference between the rapture and the 2nd coming of Christ.
The 2nd coming being when Christ comes to earth and stands on the Mt of Olives -- He will reign here on earth for 1,000 yrs.

Here are a few off the top of my head.But first off we know that the tribulation lasts seven years and if the rapture happened today or tomorrow there is no way that all the things that are to happen in the tribulation could happen.Like for instance we know that a Jewish temple is going to be rebuilt and animal sacrificing is going to come back and in the middle of the tribulation the Antichrist will go into this temple,stop the animal sacrificing and claim he is God and yet there is no Jewish temple built yet for this to be fulfilled.A Jewish temple must be rebuilt in order for this prophecy to be fulfilled during the tribulation.

But also we know that there will be some kind of world system in place that must continue a short space and then the Antichrist takes it over and turns it into the mark of the beast system.Now there are different ideas about what it is,some believe it is a one world government which I tend to agree with but other think it is the EU and some think it is the UN but no matter what it is it must continue a short space in order to be taken over and turned into the mark of the beast system.Revelation 17:10 Now it is possible that this could come after the rapture but based on Jesus telling us to watch for signs,why would we think we are close to the rapture?

I am a pre- trib rapturist too. There are those who claim that the rapture can happen at anytime and is not dependant on other prophecies being fulfilled but then I have to ask,then what signs are you looking at that tells you the rapture is close? These are just a few off the top of my head.
Hebrews 12:2-3 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith;who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross,despising the shame,and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

2nd Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,lest the light of this glorious gospel of Christ,who is the image of God,should shine unto them.

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