Revelation 8:8 being fullfilled?

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Revelation 8:8 being fullfilled?

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Post by Anonymiss » Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:31 pm

There's a lot going around right now with people connecting Revelation 8:8 to the current Gulf of Mexico oil catastrophe. However, if you read two previous verses: Revelation 8:5 and Revelation 8:7 - they sound more akin to a chain of huge meteor/asteroid impact events.. nothing like that has happened in recent years to my knowledge?

I'd like to hear the thoughts on this of others here.
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Re: Revelation 8:8 being fullfilled?

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Post by Furstentum Liechtenstein » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:48 am

I don't see Revelation 8:8 in the BP catastrophe. First, the «mountain burning with fire» is missing. Second, I doubt that a third of the ships of the world will be destroyed (Re 8:9) as a result of this oil spill.

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Post by jlay » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:28 am

the «mountain burning with fire» is missing.
This whole mess began with the oil platform exploding in a ball of fire and collapsing into the sea.
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Post by Furstentum Liechtenstein » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:25 pm

jlay wrote:
the «mountain burning with fire» is missing.
This whole mess began with the oil platform exploding in a ball of fire and collapsing into the sea.
That's a stretch if I ever heard one! Let's see if a third of the world's ships are taken out by this catastrophe (Re 8:9) and a third of sea creatures are destroyed.

Where are the effects of the first trumpet? (Re 8:7) Nowhere, they are nowhere.

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Re: Revelation 8:8 being fullfilled?

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Post by jlay » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:53 pm

FL,

Do seven lamp stands look like seven churches?

I'm not saying what is or isn't. I'm simply saying what did happen involved fire. I'm just addressing what was said to be the 'missing point.' I personally don't take any eschatological position regarding man made or natural disasters. Lord knows we've had enough Pat Robertsons.
But due to the symbolic language of Revelation it is quite likely that these events will play out veiled to most of the world. It won't be 'obvious,' so to speak.

Do you really expect a literal seven headed beast rising out of the sea?
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Post by Furstentum Liechtenstein » Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:51 pm

Jlay,

you're taking this far further than the original post intended. Sticking strictly to Revelation 8:8, the present spill doesn't fit the prophecy because,

1. 8:7 is supposed to come before 8:8 and nothing unusual happened in the world before BP's problem.
2. I doubt a third of marine life and a third of ships will be destroyed as a result of this oil spill.
3. Rev 6 and Rev 7 (and the Tribulation) must take place before Rev 8:8.

Whenever something unusual happens, religious people are quick to force-fit the event into prophecy. Don't worry, when the Real Thing happens, there will be no doubt about it.

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Re: Revelation 8:8 being fullfilled?

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Post by jlay » Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:02 am

Whenever something unusual happens, religious people are quick to force-fit the event into prophecy.

Agree
Don't worry, when the Real Thing happens, there will be no doubt about it.
Disagree.
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Post by Furstentum Liechtenstein » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:04 am

jlay wrote: Don't worry, when the Real Thing happens, there will be no doubt about it.


Disagree.
Agree. That was only my opinion.

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Post by Anonymiss » Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:40 pm

Somewhere in Revelation does it hint anything about climate change?
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Re: Revelation 8:8 being fullfilled?

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Post by ChrisB » Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:20 pm

Anonymiss wrote:Somewhere in Revelation does it hint anything about climate change?
It might, but I'm not entirely sure on this one.

"Therefore, since all things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?" 2 Peter 3:11, 12

"Then the fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and power was given to him to scorch men with fire. And men were scorched with great heat, and they blasphemed the name of God who has power over these plagues; and they did not repent or give Him glory." Revelation 16:8, 9
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