Starhunter wrote:In 2 Thessalonians 2 Paul talks about the falling away from the truth which would take place before the return of Christ.
But he does not place this event far into the future, because he mentions that the mystery of iniquity was already at work. verse 7. If the Books of Daniel and Revelation are prophetic, we should expect this concept to be in there.
Jesus also mentioned the events that were going to transpire in Jerusalem and its destruction from the book of Daniel, which incidentally, like Revelation, covers thousands of years, and not just a short time before Christ returns as claimed by tribbers and others.
Revelation gives 7 churches, 7 seals and 7 trumpets, as an overall picture of the history of the world from John's time to the Advent of Christ.
So we have the spiritual aspect in the 7 churches, the world religious trends in the 7 seals, and the political aspects of religion in the 7 trumpets.
Could it be that these 7's give us a clue about who are God's own people in every era? Many of you already know this, and understand that the church of Laodicea the seventh or last one, is a picture of the condition of God's people now. Who need to be ready for His eminent return.
Could we trace the church of God through history, so to be able to know His true church today?
The dark ages were predicted by Daniel, and Paul, and Christ. where was God's church in this time? Was she in the dragon the Papacy or had she fled into the wilderness for 1260 years? Revelation 12.
I think folks see and read into the text throughout history, forgetting the basic principle of Hebraic thought regarding uncovering truth through the Letters and number meanings of ancient Hebrew biblical thought. Therefore, the number, 1260, may not be literal years at all but rather a composite of Hebrew Otiot (letter pictograph) which would and must align with the context of the text it is used in in order to glean further details from that specific text alone:
So let's read Rev 12:6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness where she *had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
...and not years at all but rather that there will be cycles of time in which the Jewish people will nourished to the full knowledge of who Jesus is. Rev 12:5 identifies the woman as the Jewish people and the Heir is.
The Otiot of this variable would reveal this: Whose hand will remain true to the shepherd's staff during all the twists and turns which brings one into full knowledge of the firstborn (heir) of God's completeness?
The context is war against the woman and the Son and during these times of trial to see who is really faithful and who is not as fully revealed although the OT and NT concerning Israel verified by the historical records too. Now jump to this verse Rev 12:14
Rev 12:14 identifies two complete cycles of time (Note Isaiah 11:11 and note what event happened in May 14, 1948) and a divided cycle or time cut short as Jesus mentions in Matt 24:22... or as Amos 9:9-14 mentions - Israel will suffer a severe war and from that look upon whom they pierced (Zec 12:10) that cycle of scattering into the nations is literally cut short (no more scattering) so that they are not scattered again after an invasion as happened twice before: 597 BC and 70 AD time periods.
Now in regards to the for the 7 churches, 7 seals and 7 trumpets, again too difficult to say what these mean with precision but the meaning of the numbers give insight and add them together to gain further insight if any ... Note: This how the basic ancient Hebrew use of letters and number meanings were used to gain further insight into a text.
7 = biblical number and Otiot means Resting in God's perfection, wholeness, soundness that comes by God's plowing or sword...
14 means = Deliverance, salvation, release from a prison by ransom paid
21 which means = Exceeding sinfulness of sin
So you have the bringing forth God's perfection by His sword and plow, that brings about deliverance/salvation/release from a prison by ransom paid so that the exceeding sinfulness of sin is done away finally and forever. Now, this in complete line with the the theme of the book of Revelation is it not?
There are 7 churches mentioned. Of these 5 God has ought against and seeks repentance from. Two are told they are to hold fast. Of these two, one is the persecuted martyred church and the other is promised an escape. So you have 5 of these churches exploiting, denying, or misusing God's Grace (5 is the number for grace) and 2 that do not. Two in bible numbers means witness of truth verifying unity or division in the house. So you have 2 faithful groups of believers in the end time church who verify truth and with that, I will not say any more.
Next, Rev 11:2 "Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months.
The number 42 in bible numbers means: Israel's oppression by an an anti-God ie anti-God spirit...
With that, pray and ask the Lord what it means...as I do not go further than that.
Rev 11:3 "And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth
Two in bible numbers means witness of truth verifying unity or division in the house. These two witnesses are doing the same. Also note hat the same number 1260 is used. Which as stated before but to this context might indicate: Those who hands will remain on the shepherd staff during all the twists and turns who will reveal / bring about the full knowledge God's completeness/plans
as the context reveals what these two will be doing.
You must always remain in accord with the context of scripture to understand how the numbers and letters help further insight. If not, roll dice... and second guess.
Again, take with a grain of salt, test, and pray. These things I mentioned are all only hypotheses and nothing more so take them that way