Yes, this is the argument 5 above. You say that it wrong to kill the young fetus, but why? I claim that the arguments for the wrongness of killing adults and old fetuses don't apply to young fetuses. Which is your argument(s) for not allowing parents to kill their young fetuses?RickD wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 6:31 amIt's not complicated, Nils. It's wrong to kill an unborn human being, because it's wrong to kill any human being, except in certain circumstances, such as self defense, or if the person is threatening another person.Nils wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:06 amI think it just complicates matter talking about “justification”. It is enough to talk about morally right and wrong and legally right and wrong.PaulSacramento wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:22 amIn regards to abortion, the debate is actually quite simple:
What is the JUSTIFICATION for taking a life.
To be terminate a pregnancy means to take a life ( if it wasn't alive then you wouldn't need to terminate it, i.e. kill it).
So, putting aside right and wrong since we can justify a wrong act ( stealing to feed is wrong, but justified, killing someone to save a life is wrong, but justified).
What is the justification for taking a life?
So I ask: Why are the parents morally wrong if they decide to kill a young fetus (say less than 22 week old)?
I have noticed some arguments in the debate here but I don’t think that they are are valid:
1. The slippery slope argument.
If that was valid it would have been noted in countries where abortion of young fetuses is permitted but I have never heard of that.
2. The fetus suffers when aborted.
Young fetuses don’t feel pain even if the nervous system is in place. The cognitive capabilities in the brain don’t exist yet. As someone said, the signal to the bell is there but nobody is at home.
3. The young fetus has lot of functions and organs that human beings have.
Even small mammals have these features and, what is more important, small fetuses don’t have all the capabilities of even small mammals as feelings, memory and elementary consciousness not to talk about the full consciousness of adult human beings.
4. Small fetuses look like humans. That may be true but what’s the significance? Even ape fetuses look like humans.
What remains is
5. It IS wrong to abort young fetuses!
But this is not an argument, only an ungrounded statement.
So again: What IS the argument?
(In the OP there is a reference to The Abortion Debate – Dr. Willie Parker vs Dr. Mike Adams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTIpSmz ... e=youtu.be.
The argument from Adams is mainly the argument 5. above as far as I can see.
Ben Shapiro argues against abortion and uses a mixture of the arguments above but expresses all the time argument 5 without any motivation.
Admittedly they also argue against late abortion which I think is much more difficult to defend. That is about aborting fetuses that have cognitiv capabilities and are can survive outside the womb. )