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Can you get value from facts

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:37 pm
by Nessa
This is an idea I heard from Harris in a debate...

But Peterson comes back with the fact that if we take apart something we will not find the value.... That the value of Elvis's guitar is socially constructed not fact as such.

To me, this idea is dangerous and potentially evil...isn't this where you get Hitler's attitude from.... Enough people devaluing humans and you can get rid of them...

What do you think?

Can you get values from facts alone? Can science give values?

Re: Can you get value from facts

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 5:18 pm
by LittleHamster
Idea's (people's thought's) have value. They are bought and sold all the time using money. Just look at patents and patent laws. Crypto-currencies don't actually physically exist yet people give them value. People are extremely valuable, they can cook, clean, iron, vacuum, do tasks. So we tend to place an artificial value on things. But do we ???

One crazy view I came across a while back is that everything is a form of energy and the value of anything depends on how much energy it has . Human beings are a form of energy. Money is just another form of energy. Any object that has monetary value is a form of energy. Any object that can produce useful energy is monetarily valuable and thus a form of energy. Ideas and thoughts can be valuable and thus, a form of energy.

Some examples....

- If someone is young and fit and energetic, they can be very useful in the workforce and regarded as a valuable commodity.
- If people have children, it taxes their energy (more kids you have, more likely you are to get fatigued, depressed) and your value decreases because you have less energy.
- When people have sex, energy exchange occurs.
- When people fight, energy exchange occurs.
- When you love someone, it gives the person energy. (the most important one).
- If someone has money, they can use that to get things done (i.e. they pay someone else which uses their energy to get things done). So, the more money you have, the more energy you have.
- If you find objects on the ground, they also can have energy (plants, rocks, gem's). In fact, any object worth money is an amount of energy. Or just burning wood for heating...energy ! Diamonds ....worth money....more energy !
- If someone has good ideas, its takes energy to acquire those ideas, protect them, make some use of them, eventually those idea's will have some sort of monetary value...more energy. Someone may steal your ideas. You just lost your potential monetary gain and lost your extra energy !
- If someone is in a position of power, they can use that to acquire energy (in the form of wealth, control over other people's energy).


Win the Lottery ! You can become a Super Energy !..............basket case :lol:

Re: Can you get value from facts

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:17 pm
by Nessa
So if you are old and disabled and have less energy.. you are worth less...

Sounds good to me :shock:

Re: Can you get value from facts

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:19 pm
by Nessa
Is that a potential pick up line....

Have sex with me and you will be worth more..

Re: Can you get value from facts

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:34 am
by LittleHamster
Nessa wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:19 pm
Is that a potential pick up line....

Have sex with me and you will be worth more..
Women get a bit of a glow about them after sex. Men tend to look like corpses.

I reckon it's a rough deal.

Re: Can you get value from facts

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:37 am
by Nessa
LittleHamster wrote:
Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:34 am
Nessa wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:19 pm
Is that a potential pick up line....

Have sex with me and you will be worth more..
Women get a bit of a glow about them after sex. Men tend to look like corpses.

I reckon it's a rough deal.
We also get to have more than one.... Or so I've heard..



:lol:

Re: Can you get value from facts

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 12:04 pm
by 1over137
fact : some materials do not oxidize (or slowly)
they have higher value
(so, is this value from science?)

Re: Can you get value from facts

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 2:13 pm
by abelcainsbrother
Nessa wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 2:37 pm
This is an idea I heard from Harris in a debate...

But Peterson comes back with the fact that if we take apart something we will not find the value.... That the value of Elvis's guitar is socially constructed not fact as such.

To me, this idea is dangerous and potentially evil...isn't this where you get Hitler's attitude from.... Enough people devaluing humans and you can get rid of them...

What do you think?

Can you get values from facts alone? Can science give values?

It depends on the person whether or not we get values from facts.If a person wants to know the truth facts are of utmost value and it does not matter if the majority does not value the facts.The truth will always be there and the value of the facts.Without facts or the truth there is no value.But the teaching of evolution in society is to devalue people to convince us that we are animals and society has been indoctrinated to accept it.Many people have devalued themselves from the way God sees them because of the indoctrination of society.This is because the truth and facts are not valued.Science that does not value facts or truth is of no value.- such as evolution that tells us we are animals.

Re: Can you get value from facts

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:58 pm
by thatkidakayoungguy
We ARE animals, anatomically speaking. That is a plain fact by our biology; we are primates.
BUT, we are set apart by our spirit/soul matter primarily. We are made in the image of GOD. Secondary attributes include upright stance (though a few walk on all fours due to certain forms of autism or some other condition), extreme intelligence and creativity (overall), cultivator and caretaker of the earth (though not always), a thing for belief in religion/spirituality/higher power, and some more.

Re: Can you get value from facts

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:59 pm
by thatkidakayoungguy
Nessa wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:19 pm
Is that a potential pick up line....

Have sex with me and you will be worth more..
now now, lets not entertain prostitution