Kurieuo wrote: Audacity wrote:
Storyteller wrote:So what, abortion isn't cruel because it's our decision and not Gods?
*Sigh* For some pregnant people no doubt it is, but whether it is or not doesn't absolve god of the cruelty he inflicts on expectant parents.
Your complaint isn't about wrongness/rightness of abortion,
Of course my complaint isn't about the wrongness/rightness of abortion. That should be quite obvious, because as I said in my very first
"According to the National Institute of Health, each year in the United States
about 25,000 babies, or 68 babies every day, are born still.
which I followed up in my second
"That abortion isn't the only process that's taking potential lives. God seems to be letting fetuses develop for 20-28 weeks before killing them off, yet I don't hear anyone condemning him for it. In his infinite knowledge (omniscience) why isn't he killing the embryo in its first moments of formation? Surely he knows it isn't destined for birth."
but clearly trying to cause distraction with your anti-God questions.
Distraction from what? All Philip said in his OP was, "A beautiful lady, right? She almost wasn't! We were all once a fetus, but ALWAYS human!"
She's an attractive woman. Okay! She almost wasn't. Okay! We were all once a fetus, but always human. Okay! What else is there to say? It's like saying "I live on a paved street
" Okay, but so what? I just made the thread into something to talk about. Evidently it's something you don't like to talk about, which is fine. Don't feel obligated to do so on my account.
Perhaps you should be looking into various theodicies.
Gotta have a reason, bro.
Yet, the question of pain and suffering wasn't what the opening post was about.
Hey, there wasn't any
question at all. Although from a discussion standpoint it might
have been helpful to have a question to get things rolling.
You're just using the topic to try drive a knife into Christian beliefs.
Actually, I'm not. In light of the uninspiring nature of the OP I took the opportunity to address the abortion issue by trying to get anti-abortionists to see that abortion has a very real parallel in what god does, and reconsider their attitude toward those participating in abortion. Now, if Christians can't stand what god does and insist on not hearing about it then I only have sympathy for their lack of fortitude, and their fragile faith.
In any case, God doesn't inflict cruelty, rather there are physical laws that are upheld regardless of our choices. A doctor inflicts cruelty when he suctions a baby out of its womb, a man inflicts cruelty when he hits a pregnant woman in the stomach causing a miscarriage, a woman inflicts cruelty when constantly drinking and taking drugs during her pregnancy. Sometimes, for whatever physical reason, babies do not develop as they should and therefore die in utero. There are many factors that can contribute to such, and I doubt we know them all. Which is why woman are advised to refrain from a lot of things during pregnancy.
I will say however, that you inflict cruelty in going there, I see it like a low blow in order to get your rocks off on taking some snipes at Christians here and God, once again.
Of course you do. Attack the messenger and not the message. How about addressing the point I raised rather than why you think I raised it? Talk to me about my responses without resorting to irrelevancies and going off into side issues. And if you can't then just leave it to others to carry on.
Knowing very well in previous exchanges you've participated in that some women here have suffered such.
Those women who have suffered because of having had an abortion have my unqualified sympathies. AS DO those who have gone through 20 + weeks of a pregnancy filled with joyful expectations only to deliver a stillborn baby.