Is homosexuality harmful?

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Re: Is homosexuality harmful?

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Post by Kurieuo » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:49 pm

Nessa wrote:
Kurieuo wrote: To get graphic... the penis seems an ideal tool for this too, since the vulva thickens as the woman is turned on causing a pull during penetration alongside the natural rubbing of the penis against the clitorus which helps stimulate a woman to orgasm. The woman's vagina vice-versa seems the ideal match to stimulate the man to orgasm
Great explaining!

You didnt even need diagrams :P

A professional once told me that only a low percentage of women are able to achieve orgasm via penetration.

I actually doubt that is true and is just a misbelief some might have.
This "professional" was a guy no doubt? Probably said it to make himself feel better. ;)
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Re: Is homosexuality harmful?

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Post by Nessa » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:26 pm

Kurieuo wrote:
Nessa wrote:
Kurieuo wrote: To get graphic... the penis seems an ideal tool for this too, since the vulva thickens as the woman is turned on causing a pull during penetration alongside the natural rubbing of the penis against the clitorus which helps stimulate a woman to orgasm. The woman's vagina vice-versa seems the ideal match to stimulate the man to orgasm
Great explaining!

You didnt even need diagrams :P

A professional once told me that only a low percentage of women are able to achieve orgasm via penetration.

I actually doubt that is true and is just a misbelief some might have.
This "professional" was a guy no doubt? Probably said it to make himself feel better. ;)
Female actually :P

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Re: Is homosexuality harmful?

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Post by Audacity » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:39 pm

Byblos wrote:
Audacity wrote:
Byblos wrote:
Audacity wrote:
PaulSacramento wrote:Don't even bother guys.
Sheesh.
We get it! We get it! You can't define "natural." So be it. :shakehead:

Have a good day :wave:
If you're really interested, do yourself a favor and listen to this. Yes, it is over an hour long but it's a broad subject.
An hour and 45 minutes? I don't think so. But thank you anyway.
Then please don't claim we can't define "natural" when you're unwilling to invest the time in it. :wave:
"We"? You and PaulSacramento joined at the hip? If not then I don't recognize your stake in my request.

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Re: Is homosexuality harmful?

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Post by Audacity » Thu Dec 22, 2016 6:43 pm

Nessa wrote:
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Kurieuo wrote:
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Kurieuo wrote:What is the natural function of sexes? What driving natural goal does such fulfil? Anything other, is unnatural -- male-male, female-female, human-sheep, dog-cat.
Off hand question: Assuming the following:

.....1) Your suggestion (claim?) that the sole function of our sexual organs is for reproduction.
My claim is the primary biological purpose of the sexes is reproductive, this is seen in our social structure heavily built upon family and nature of our biology. The man complements the woman and vice-versa. The intention is to create a stable foundation, for children (reproduction) who then require looking after as helpless babies and raising them into adults, and the circle of life repeats.

Okay, so the function of our sexual organs isn't solely for reproduction. I assume then that you believe they're also there to give pleasure. Understood. No need to go into my four assumptions any further. However, we do have this curious remark of yours:
This is the primary objective, and nature does it's best to make the opposite sex appealing to the other (we see across many species), is in order for life to be sustained. Or, as I believe God creates an attraction to opposite sexes. Therefore, a diversion from such is a perversion of nature -- something abnormal or going wrong.
So how do you explain same-sex attraction? A failure of God's attempt to create an attraction to opposite sexes? Or is it a matter of people having such an attraction, but deciding instead to be attracted to those of the same sex? If so, how do you think this occurs: "Hmmm, I 'm really attracted to that busty brunet over there, but I think I'll decide to like that handsome hunk of a guy brooding in the corner over there instead." My only question would be, How does one decide to to like A over B? Isn't liking something pretty much an unconscious reaction rather than a consciously directed one?
Are you implying that our likes, preferences and attractions deem what is right and/or natural?
Nope. I'm asking Kurieuo to explain same-sex attraction.

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Re: Is homosexuality harmful?

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Post by Nessa » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:03 pm

I'm not kurieuo but I think that same-sex attraction is a deviation from what is normal and natural.

Attraction to children would also be a deviation.

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Re: Is homosexuality harmful?

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Post by Audacity » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:30 pm

Storyteller wrote:Another function for the female orgasm, I believe, is to aid the sperm on their journey, the contractions help apparently.
Believe what you like, but having looked into just this aspect of the female orgasm, I've found that it has an almost negligible effect. I invite you to Google the subject.
Audacity... forgive me if this comes across as obtuse but I am genuinely curious, you really think homosexuality is natural? I define it as unnatural, purely because if the human race was homosexual, we'd soon be extinct.
I think it's as natural as is left-handedness. As for the possibility of the whole human race becoming homosexual and leading to the extinction of our species, this is most likely true. Just as if the everyone started eating one another our population would plummet. However, people aren't eating one another, and the whole human race isn't homosexual. Most studies on homosexuality put its frequency at 1.6% - 3% of the population, leaving no chance the race would go extinct because of its few homosexuals.
To answer your question about attraction, no you don't "choose" who you fall in love with but that doesn't make it right.

Not right in what context? That it's a sin? That it offends your sensibilities?
What about paedophiles? I saw a heartbreaking film a while ago, a 22 year old guy who opted for chemical castration because he had sexual feelings for his six year old niece, he told his family, doctor and sought help. He didn't give in to his urges, could the same point not be argued for homosexuals?
What point? That homosexuals who care for, perhaps love one another should get castrated so to prevent them from physically enjoying each other? What purpose would be served?
As for why we women have a clitoris, sure, for pleasure. We, I believe, are the only species to have sex for fun, for pleasure.
You're mistaken. It's been shown that other animals do indeed have sex for pleasure.

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Re: Is homosexuality harmful?

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Post by Audacity » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:45 pm

Nessa wrote:I'm not kurieuo but I think that same-sex attraction is a deviation from what is normal and natural.
In one sense it certainly is, just as left-handedness is. Deviation is not necessarily bad or harmful. Simply consider how helpful it is when a compass arrow deviates from Magnetic North so as to show ones relative magnetic position.
Attraction to children would also be a deviation.
As would an attraction to one's TV remote control.

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Re: Is homosexuality harmful?

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Post by Nessa » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:55 pm

Audacity wrote: As would an attraction to one's TV remote control.
y/:]

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Re: Is homosexuality harmful?

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Post by Nessa » Thu Dec 22, 2016 7:58 pm

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Nessa wrote:I'm not kurieuo but I think that same-sex attraction is a deviation from what is normal and natural.
In one sense it certainly is, just as left-handedness is. Deviation is not necessarily bad or harmful.
No, you are right. Deviation is not necessarily bad.

But try deviating from the road rules by doing what you think is better and you may end up dead.

There can he severe concequences from deviating from something.

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Re: Is homosexuality harmful?

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Post by Nessa » Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:09 pm

Audacity wrote:You're mistaken. It's been shown that other animals do indeed have sex for pleasure.
Was it pigs that orgasm for 30 minutes? :shock: y:@) y:@) y:@)

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Re: Is homosexuality harmful?

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Post by Audacity » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:24 pm

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Audacity wrote:You're mistaken. It's been shown that other animals do indeed have sex for pleasure.
Was it pigs that orgasm for 30 minutes? :shock: y:@) y:@) y:@)
What's always grabbed my gonads is that on average women have a better orgasmic experience. :x

"On average, a woman's orgasm may last roughly fourteen seconds longer than a man's.
In most cases, a man must rest directly after an orgasm. After recuperating, he can continue. Women recover from the experience much quicker and, because of this, they can have orgasms in rapid succession.
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"The length of a man's orgasm has been estimated at 10–15 seconds on average, though it is possible for them to last up to 30 seconds.
A woman's orgasm may last slightly longer or much longer than a man's. Women's orgasms have been estimated to last, on average, approximately 20 seconds, and to consist of a series of muscular contractions in the pelvic area that includes the vagina, the uterus, and the anus
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Re: Is homosexuality harmful?

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Post by Kurieuo » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:31 pm

Audacity wrote:
K wrote:This is the primary objective, and nature does it's best to make the opposite sex appealing to the other (we see across many species), is in order for life to be sustained. Or, as I believe God creates an attraction to opposite sexes. Therefore, a diversion from such is a perversion of nature -- something abnormal or going wrong.
So how do you explain same-sex attraction? A failure of God's attempt to create an attraction to opposite sexes? Or is it a matter of people having such an attraction, but deciding instead to be attracted to those of the same sex? If so, how do you think this occurs: "Hmmm, I 'm really attracted to that busty brunet over there, but I think I'll decide to like that handsome hunk of a guy brooding in the corner over there instead." My only question would be, How does one decide to to like A over B? Isn't liking something pretty much an unconscious reaction rather than a consciously directed one?
It is explained in the sentence following what you bolded of mine. You might also want to read the following paragraph:
  • For human beings, a large part is psychological, and our elevated levels of spirituality makes such matters more complex than merely animals who don't really fuss about questions of life and death, finding meaning and purpose and the like -- but seem largely contented with just living (until we show them greater comforts).
As for your left/right-handedness, if one catches, throws, writes or what-have-you with left or right hand, it's still serving it's primary purpose regardless. On the other "hand", if they had two perfectly normal hands, and began using their feet for everything (as I had done in the past due to OCD issues), then we'd think there something abnormal. The person needs help. And, rightly so.
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Re: Is homosexuality harmful?

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Post by Nicki » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:52 pm

Kurieuo wrote:
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K wrote:This is the primary objective, and nature does it's best to make the opposite sex appealing to the other (we see across many species), is in order for life to be sustained. Or, as I believe God creates an attraction to opposite sexes. Therefore, a diversion from such is a perversion of nature -- something abnormal or going wrong.
So how do you explain same-sex attraction? A failure of God's attempt to create an attraction to opposite sexes? Or is it a matter of people having such an attraction, but deciding instead to be attracted to those of the same sex? If so, how do you think this occurs: "Hmmm, I 'm really attracted to that busty brunet over there, but I think I'll decide to like that handsome hunk of a guy brooding in the corner over there instead." My only question would be, How does one decide to to like A over B? Isn't liking something pretty much an unconscious reaction rather than a consciously directed one?
It is explained in the sentence following what you bolded of mine. You might also want to read the following paragraph:
  • For human beings, a large part is psychological, and our elevated levels of spirituality makes such matters more complex than merely animals who don't really fuss about questions of life and death, finding meaning and purpose and the like -- but seem largely contented with just living (until we show them greater comforts).
As for your left/right-handedness, if one catches, throws, writes or what-have-you with left or right hand, it's still serving it's primary purpose regardless. On the other "hand", if they had two perfectly normal hands, and began using their feet for everything (as I had done in the past due to OCD issues), then we'd think there something abnormal. The person needs help. And, rightly so.
Using your feet for everything? y:-/ Tell me more. Good response though.

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Re: Is homosexuality harmful?

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Post by Kurieuo » Fri Dec 23, 2016 12:26 am

I didn't want to feel "dirty", like my hands were "germy". So, turn on/off lights, taps, open/close cupboards/doors -- stuff easier done with, you know, hands. I'd wash them lots too, about half way up my arm, skin would end up dry, cracked sometimes bleeding. AND, it was me, I couldn't change the way I felt. Doesn't mean it was natural or normal.
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Nessa wrote:
Kurieuo wrote:
Nessa wrote:
Kurieuo wrote: To get graphic... the penis seems an ideal tool for this too, since the vulva thickens as the woman is turned on causing a pull during penetration alongside the natural rubbing of the penis against the clitorus which helps stimulate a woman to orgasm. The woman's vagina vice-versa seems the ideal match to stimulate the man to orgasm
Great explaining!

You didnt even need diagrams :P

A professional once told me that only a low percentage of women are able to achieve orgasm via penetration.

I actually doubt that is true and is just a misbelief some might have.
This "professional" was a guy no doubt? Probably said it to make himself feel better. ;)
Female actually :P
Poor woman. :P
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