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Post by CeT-To » Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:57 am

Im pretty sure everyone has seen this come up °what if people tell a lie to save some one from physical and emotional pain...or death?

Would that still be wrong? Im confused because if we are talking about moral absolutes then doesnt it mean it IS still wrong to lie even if its to save ones life? Yes it is less of a sin to lie than to let them die ...but a sin is a sin ...no?

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Post by smiley » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:16 pm

Abraham lied twice to save his life, and God not only did not chastise him for it, He even punished the Pharaoh and threatened him with death because he acted upon being fooled into believing Abraham's lies.

I hear there are also passages that indicate that God Himself lied, but I haven't read those parts of the Bible yet.
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Post by jlay » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:30 pm

Numbers 23:19
God is not a man, that he should lie,
nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfill?
-“The Bible treated allegorically becomes putty in the hands of the exegete.” John Walvoord

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Post by BavarianWheels » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:44 pm

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Now as we take a commercial break...
Am I the only one that sees a skull that Christ is raising his hands to in your profile pic, CeT-To?

...and we're back.
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Post by sinnerbybirth » Thu Sep 02, 2010 2:10 pm

BavarianWheels wrote:.
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Now as we take a commercial break...
Am I the only one that sees a skull that Christ is raising his hands to in your profile pic, CeT-To?

...and we're back.
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Hmmmm. y:-? You may be right. I thought It looked like an angel. But, now that you say that, I guess it could be. y:O2 Sounds like a Rorschach test is in order. 8-}2 I personally think they all look like ink blots.

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Post by Canuckster1127 » Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:54 pm

Looks like a Dove to me.
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Post by CeT-To » Thu Sep 02, 2010 7:12 pm

Yeah i think its a dove LOL by the way its a painting...

Anyway can anyone answer my question?
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Post by Alpha~Omega » Fri Sep 03, 2010 1:42 pm

I dont know the exact bible passage, but i remember (i believe it was Jesus who said this) "to flee from death" in other words, avoid becoming a martyr.
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Post by CeT-To » Fri Sep 03, 2010 9:20 pm

im not talking about that, im saying if for example some one is hiding in a closet and im infront of the closet and the murder ( with a gun or knife) asks me where he is ....what do i say?
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Post by Alpha~Omega » Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:20 am

Well let me ask you this, what would you say to the murderer? If you did decide to lie, you saved that persons life. Although you still lied, and lieing is a sin, but i think that since you helped him to "flee from death" you obeyed God's commandment. I like to think of it as an exception to the rule. I hope this helps you bro.
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Post by sinnerbybirth » Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:13 am

CeT-To wrote: °what if people tell a lie to save some one from physical and emotional pain...or death?
John 13:38 Jesus answered, “Will you lay down your life for Me? Truly, truly, I say to you, a rooster will not crow until you deny Me three times.
Jesus told Peter that Peter was going to lie three times.

John 18:27 Peter then denied it again, and immediately a rooster crowed.
Peter lied three times.
CeT-To wrote:Would that still be wrong? Im confused because if we are talking about moral absolutes then doesnt it mean it IS still wrong to lie even if its to save ones life? Yes it is less of a sin to lie than to let them die ...but a sin is a sin ...no?
Did Peter repent? or Was Peter convicted by Christ's words in John 21: 15-17. Notice Jesus asked three times if Peter loved him?

15 So when they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?” He *said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Tend My lambs.” 16 He said to him again a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” He said to Him, “Yes, Lord; You know that I love You.” He said to him, “Shepherd My sheep.” 17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love Me?” Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, “Do you love Me?” And he said to Him, “Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You.” Jesus *said to him, “Tend My sheep."

Yes, sin is sin. I also believe this comes down to a condition of the heart. This is a touchy situation, not one that all believers will agree on. But, I also believe we will be judged on this and much more we have done in our lives.

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Post by sinnerbybirth » Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:21 am

With what I have said above, let me also say this. It is natural to justify our sins and shortcomings with a reason or excuse. Just don't make a practise out of this type of lifestyle. There is no excuse for sinning knowingly.

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Post by Alpha~Omega » Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:01 am

Your name says it all! lol
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Re: Lie

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Post by CeT-To » Sat Sep 04, 2010 9:36 am

sinnerbybirth wrote:With what I have said above, let me also say this. It is natural to justify our sins and shortcomings with a reason or excuse. Just don't make a practise out of this type of lifestyle. There is no excuse for sinning knowingly.
Is desperation an excuse even tho you are knowingly lying ( sinning) ? I know i sound like badguy right now but i really want to find a firm answer y:-?
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Post by sinnerbybirth » Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:29 am

CeT-To wrote:Is desperation an excuse even tho you are knowingly lying ( sinning) ? I know i sound like badguy right now but i really want to find a firm answer y:-?
I think a firm answer would be based on you conviction. Some poeple are convicted, moved, compelled, or led (by the Holy Spirit) differently. :ewink:

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