That may be very imaginative, even romantic, but I don't see how it relates to the way we are created, or even how Adam was created. Adam according to Scripture (and by your own admission below) wasn't a "living" thing inside the mud (there was no life within him). Rather Scripture tells us that Adam's body was first formed, before life was "breathed" into him. On the other hand, we biologically have an individual human life from the moment of conception. Many medical textbooks attest to this fact (refer to quotes at http://www.godandscience.org/abortion/sld006.html).Shirtless wrote:About Adam: I think that their are more similarities of Adam's formation, to your average human's formation. For example, the word "formed" (yatsar) is the same word used for every reference of a fetus in the womb. Adam was created from mud, so picture a pile of warm mud. Enzymes, and proteins are slowly coming together, forming a complex organism. Over time the living thing deep inside the mud developes into a body, and the body developes skin. The body is probably in the fetal position. The mud clears enough for the body to be exposed to the air. Then, the breath of life enters his lungs. The man yells, and is confused and cold during a thunderstorm that washes away the mud.
As mentioned previously, This "breath of life" is not strictly speaking "breathing" alone, but rather represents God's imparting the vitality of man into Adam, that is his life essense. The word translated for "breath" has the following Strong's definition: "a puff, that is, wind, angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect or (concretely) an animal: - blast, (that) breath (-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit." (definition taken direct from the Strong's dictionary!). In addition, according to your limited interpretation of breath just representing "air" bringing Adam alive, Adam never actually receives a soul/spirit in Genesis 2:7! This leads me to ask you a question: Do you even believe we have a soul, or do you take a pure physicalist approach?Shirtless wrote:Anyway, the word "breathed" (naphach) means "to breathe, puff, inflate, blow." So it indicates that air literally went into Adam, and that is what made him live. In my opinion, Genesis 2:7 is a direct reference to a child being created in the womb, and being born. But since a human female doesn't exist yet, a pile of mud will have to do.
Well Scripture does tell us it begins in our Mother's womb, but biology tells us human life begins at conception!shirtless wrote:The Bible makes no direct reference to life begining at conception.
You'll need to do more than present this questionable passage for a Biblical case. I'm sure you are aware to the many issues surrounding its interpretation. Firstly, the word translated in some English translations as "miscarriage" is yasa, which only means to "bring forth." Yasa is used 1,061 times in the Hebrew Bible, and is never translated "miscarriage" in any other case (see What Exodus 21:22 Says About Abortion—recommend to all!). Also recommend the article Exodus 21:22-25: Translations & Mistranslations by Dr. Gary Butner.shirtless wrote:Exodus 22 If men fight, and hurt a woman with child, so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows (other than the death of the baby), he shall surely be punished accordingly as the woman's husband imposes on him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23 But if any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, 24eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Infact Gleason Archer, a well respected professor of the Old Testament, concluded on this passage: <blockquote>“There is no ambiguity here, whatever. What is required is that if there should be an injury either to the mother or to her children, the injury shall be avenged by a like injury to the assailant. If it involves the life (nepes) of the premature baby, then the assailant shall pay for it with his life. There is no second-class status attached to the fetus under this rule; he is avenged just as if he were a normally delivered child or an older person: life for life. Or if the injury is less, but not serious enough to involve inflicting a like injury on the offender, then he may offer compensation in monetary damages...”
—http://www.str.org/free/commentaries/ab ... atexod.htm—</blockquote>
And the Bible leaves us to assume no reason that a "soul" is given at some later time during our life. Rather where you have human "life" the Bible always presents such as having a "soul." Scripture aside (for which many good passages have been cited for life beginning in the womb), one can turn to biology to discover where human life begins.shirtless wrote:I personally don't think that God holds anything back from us. He wouldn't leave us with such a complex problem of trying to figure out when life begins.
Now, you may reject the soul is attach to our body the moment "we" are biologically conceived. You even appear to reject signs of thought processes and feelings as evidence that one has a soul, although I can't understand how one could do so, unless one does take a physicalist approach to the mind/body issue? Yet the question I wish to pose to you is then how do you have to believe infants have souls? If consciousness (specifically self-consciousness) is to be seen as an attribute of what makes our lives valuable as humans, then as Michael Tooley concluded in his book "Abortion and Infanticide"—infanticide is also morally acceptable. This is the danger of defining what characteristics make us valuable, rather than accepting that all humans have intrinsic worth (or for Christians that all human life possesses the image of God), and are therefore valuable just for being human.
Well if we killed off all the poorer people, such problems wouldn't exist either would they? But I wouldn't dare propose such an extreme and elitest solution to resolve the problems that largely stem from greed! Are the lifes within some ethnic groups to be so devalued as nothing, and not worth living, because of their poverty? Is there a higher value on the life of those who are more wealthy? Such seems to be message portrayed by our nice civilised societies today. Yet, Christ taught that all life, especially the lives of the poor and helpless, are very important and to be respected!shirtless wrote:We are having a population control crisis. Unwanted pregnancies are causing the world to starve. In some ethnic groups in this country(the richest country in the world), 80% of babies are born into poverty. We have to ask ourselves, by "playing it safe" as far as abortions go, are we guilty of a greater sin?