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by Nils
Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:01 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 55240

Re: Creation of information

Do we agree on the following statement that you posted earlier? If you say that the execution of a program and the output from the program is dependent on the programmer even after the program is finished and the programmer has moved away then there is no program that is independent of the programm...
by Nils
Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:21 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 55240

Re: Creation of information

It would be helpful if you commented my last post, #36 Nils My understanding is that your statement "What is assumed is that intelligence is needed to create new information and hence that a natural process of mutations and selections (evolution) can’t produce new information. I think this is wrong...
by Nils
Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:40 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 55240

Re: Creation of information

... ... Source: http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/1551 Paul, I don't understand why you post this. First, this is again a reference to an ID proponent which is useless as an independent source to support the idea of other ID proponents. In this thread I've discussed the idea t...
by Nils
Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:21 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 55240

Re: Creation of information

It would be helpful if you commented my last post, #36 Nils My understanding is that your statement "What is assumed is that intelligence is needed to create new information and hence that a natural process of mutations and selections (evolution) can’t produce new information. I think this is wrong...
by Nils
Fri Oct 25, 2019 10:37 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 55240

Re: Creation of information

My logic is simple. In the OP i wrote: "What is assumed is that intelligence is needed to create new information and hence that a natural process of mutations and selections (evolution) can’t produce new information." This can be stated (similar to my 4, in #21): 5. There is no processes that creat...
by Nils
Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:22 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 55240

Re: Creation of information

My logic is simple. In the OP i wrote: "What is assumed is that intelligence is needed to create new information and hence that a natural process of mutations and selections (evolution) can’t produce new information." This can be stated (similar to my 4, in #21): 5. There is no processes that creat...
by Nils
Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:31 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 55240

Re: Creation of information

In the discussion so far I notice that there are lot of misunderstanding of what I say in the opening post. I try to repeat and explain the most important parts but please refer to the OP for further information. Most common is the misunderstanding that I think that the program, the labyrinth search...
by Nils
Thu Oct 24, 2019 2:19 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 55240

Re: Creation of information

The information issue is one that evolutionary biologist openly admit a problem with. Please, can you give any reference to a main stream evolutionary biologist that discusses this. First off, do your own homework. I am tried of doing all the leg work for people, sorry. BUT, here is a first step: h...
by Nils
Wed Oct 23, 2019 12:04 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 55240

Re: Creation of information

Do you even realize what you have said here? Yes, do you? Nils Get your own dirt. I don't understand. Please be a bit more explicit. Nils I'm making a comparison between your logic, and the scientist in the "Get your own dirt" joke. OK, I hadn't heard that joke before. You claim intelligence isn't ...
by Nils
Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:59 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 55240

Re: Creation of information

False logic. I admit that: 1. In one case there is a process that creates information and that is generated by an intelligence. From that does NOT follow: 2. Every process that creates information is created by an intelligence. No. Every process that we can observe and empirically prove from which ...
by Nils
Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:49 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 55240

Re: Creation of information

The requirement for an intelligent designer and programmer is not 'beside the point'. It IS the point. Here is your described premise What is assumed is that intelligence is needed to create new information and hence that a natural process of mutations and selections (evolution) can’t produce new i...
by Nils
Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:24 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 55240

Re: Creation of information

The information issue is one that evolutionary biologist openly admit a problem with. There is no evidence of information being randomly generated in nature. Computers MUST be programmed to generate new information, it doesn't happen randomly. It's worse than that, much, MUCH worse. Even if we gran...
by Nils
Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:08 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 55240

Re: Creation of information

The information issue is one that evolutionary biologist openly admit a problem with. Please, can you give any reference to a main stream evolutionary biologist that discusses this. There is no evidence of information being randomly generated in nature. Not randomly, but randomness combined with na...
by Nils
Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:34 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 55240

Re: Creation of information

You argue that because the program is man made it is false that the program creates or finds the information. But this is beside my point. Of course the program is man made but when it is in place it is independently able to create information without any interference from a programmer. The require...
by Nils
Tue Oct 22, 2019 12:27 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Creation of information
Replies: 165
Views: 55240

Re: Creation of information

nils wrote: If new information can be created by computers there is no reason why it couldn’t be created by biological evolution and this is precisely what the evolution theory assumes. Information isn’t created by intelligences alone. Do you even realize what you have said here? Yes, do you? Nils ...