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by DBowling
Sat Jan 22, 2022 3:35 pm
Forum: Creation Talk
Topic: Hugh Ross and RTB on Neanderthals and Denisovans
Replies: 20
Views: 19263

Re: Hugh Ross and RTB on Neanderthals and Denisovans

Thanks... I'll have to look into this a little deeper
by DBowling
Sat Jan 22, 2022 3:29 pm
Forum: Creation Talk
Topic: Hugh Ross and RTB on Neanderthals and Denisovans
Replies: 20
Views: 19263

Re: Hugh Ross and RTB on Neanderthals and Denisovans

I have seen those before, but there is nothing about carving figurines or musical instruments in that link
by DBowling
Sat Jan 22, 2022 3:24 pm
Forum: Creation Talk
Topic: Hugh Ross and RTB on Neanderthals and Denisovans
Replies: 20
Views: 19263

Re: Hugh Ross and RTB on Neanderthals and Denisovans

I watched Nova's "Great Human Odyssey" recently. In this show there was a very interesting discussion on why Neanderthals went extinct in Europe while Modern Humans survived. Modern Humans and Neanderthals coexisted in the same environment and evidently interbred on rare occasions. Anthro...
by DBowling
Fri Jan 21, 2022 11:28 am
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Can Mutation Invent?
Replies: 121
Views: 98603

Re: Can Mutation Invent?

Until we see empirically observable evidence that beneficial mutations are able to produce coordinated adds and substitutions at a rate orders of magnitude faster than the observed capability of non-beneficial mutations, then the observable evidence indicates that the capability of non-beneficial m...
by DBowling
Fri Jan 21, 2022 5:17 am
Forum: Creation Talk
Topic: Hugh Ross and RTB on Neanderthals and Denisovans
Replies: 20
Views: 19263

Re: Hugh Ross and RTB on Neanderthals and Denisovans

I watched Nova's "Great Human Odyssey" recently. In this show there was a very interesting discussion on why Neanderthals went extinct in Europe while Modern Humans survived. Modern Humans and Neanderthals coexisted in the same environment and evidently interbred on rare occasions. Anthrop...
by DBowling
Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:35 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Can Mutation Invent?
Replies: 121
Views: 98603

Re: Can Mutation Invent?

Until we see empirically observable evidence that beneficial mutations are able to produce coordinated adds and substitutions at a rate orders of magnitude faster than the observed capability of non-beneficial mutations, then the observable evidence indicates that the capability of non-beneficial m...
by DBowling
Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:59 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Can Mutation Invent?
Replies: 121
Views: 98603

Re: Can Mutation Invent?

Stipulating to your statement: "That doesn’t mean that every case with beneficial mutations is more rapid than some case with non-beneficial mutations." Do you agree with the following statement... In order to create the tree of life, the number of empirically observable examples of combi...
by DBowling
Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:31 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Can Mutation Invent?
Replies: 121
Views: 98603

Re: Can Mutation Invent?

Stipulating to your statement: "That doesn’t mean that every case with beneficial mutations is more rapid than some case with non-beneficial mutations." Do you agree with the following statement... In order to create the tree of life, the number of empirically observable examples of combi...
by DBowling
Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:00 am
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Can Mutation Invent?
Replies: 121
Views: 98603

Re: Can Mutation Invent?

What I wrote about was an imagined example where there is one case with possible non-beneficial mutations and one case with possible beneficial mutations and I compared the rate between these two specific cases. The motive for this example was to show that there are two different mechanisms, one li...
by DBowling
Sun Jan 09, 2022 8:02 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Can Mutation Invent?
Replies: 121
Views: 98603

Re: Can Mutation Invent?

The conclusion is that the frequency of the combination of non-beneficial mutations (for instance in the malaria bacteria) says nothing about the frequencies of combinations of beneficial mutations. I understand the premise perfectly well... Here are the assumptions... 1. A string of non-beneficial...
by DBowling
Sat Jan 08, 2022 12:33 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Can Mutation Invent?
Replies: 121
Views: 98603

Re: Can Mutation Invent?

The malaria case shows that six non-beneficial coordinated mutations exceeds the capability of the number of life forms that have ever existed on this plan. Do you agree? Absolutely :) If you agree that is what I think is important in Issue1 In your response you argue like this (assuming you agree)...
by DBowling
Thu Jan 06, 2022 2:20 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Can Mutation Invent?
Replies: 121
Views: 98603

Re: Can Mutation Invent?

Happy New Year to you too! You discuss Issue 1 so let’s concentrate on that. I wrote: “Issue 1. The malaria case. You mention often the malaria case where two non-beneficial mutations is needed to provide resistance to chloroquine. From that you (following Behe) argue that if four or more non-benef...
by DBowling
Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:38 am
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Can Mutation Invent?
Replies: 121
Views: 98603

Re: Can Mutation Invent?

Issue 3. Lenski’s experiment show according to you that “the overwhelming majority of beneficial mutations that do occur in nature and in the lab degrade genetic information” (#58). Assuming you are correct it still doesn’t follow what you continue with: “I think it is even more "wrong" t...
by DBowling
Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:34 am
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Can Mutation Invent?
Replies: 121
Views: 98603

Re: Can Mutation Invent?

We have discussed the issues above at length. It’s not meaningful to continue the discussion if your argument is: 1. “It has been shown in nature and the lab” referring to the Malaria case and E Coli experiment. and from that you make a giant leap to the conclusion: 2. “Then the billions of coordin...
by DBowling
Thu Jan 06, 2022 6:30 am
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Can Mutation Invent?
Replies: 121
Views: 98603

Re: Can Mutation Invent?

Happy New Year! :) I hope you had an enjoyable Holiday season Let me address a couple of your comments and come back to the rest later. As I got some time to read our discussion from the beginning it seem that we perhaps are coming close to a point where it’s of no use continuing the discussion. It ...