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by Philip
Mon Mar 11, 2019 5:26 pm
Forum: Christian Chit-chat
Topic: Women in church
Replies: 85
Views: 1084

Re: Women in church

DB: OK... But would you agree with me that in 1 Tim 2:14 Paul's focus is on why Eve sinned? Would you agree with me that creation order has nothing to do with WHY Eve sinned? Would you agree with me that gender has nothing to do with WHY Eve sinned? Would you agree with me that Paul explicitly stat...
by Philip
Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:36 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Top Ten Reasons I'm An Atheist
Replies: 298
Views: 7150

Re: Top Ten Reasons I'm An Atheist

Ken: Until "X" becomes intelligent, the properties of intelligence does not exist.
And so, WHAT exactly can have or use intelligence besides a being? Or something an already intelligent being creates and programs? Can blind, non-intelligent things have intelligence?
by Philip
Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:32 pm
Forum: Christian Chit-chat
Topic: Women in church
Replies: 85
Views: 1084

Re: Women in church

DB: In 1 Timothy 2:14 Paul explicitly points out that Eve was deceived. Paul is not claiming that Eve became a sinner because of her gender. Eve became a sinner because she was deceived. But I didn't say that - so why assert I did? I said nothing about Eve becoming a sinner because she was female. ...
by Philip
Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:02 am
Forum: Moral and Ethical Affairs
Topic: Are Atheists Associated with Genocides?
Replies: 13
Views: 214

Re: Are Atheists Associated with Genocides?

Paul: and an atheist like Kenny, raised in the western world with an established since of moral right and wrong, doesn't condone genocide. Of course, Ken's perspective is "tainted" by centuries of Christian teachings and influence that have impacted the society we live in and the one he was also ra...
by Philip
Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:51 am
Forum: Christian Chit-chat
Topic: Women in church
Replies: 85
Views: 1084

Re: Women in church

DB - I'm not questioning your personal sensibilities - or arguing against your stance. DB: The question then becomes, can we use the basic principle Paul gives Galatians 3:26-29 and the specific examples of apostle, deacon, and prophet and extrapolate that to apply to the offices of pastor and elder...
by Philip
Mon Mar 11, 2019 6:12 am
Forum: Christian Chit-chat
Topic: Women in church
Replies: 85
Views: 1084

Re: Women in church

What I see is people latching on to nebelous "maybes" and then ignoring the obvious omission of women in the stated criteria for elders and pastors. The ommissions cannot possibly be happenstance or unintentional! Paul was very specific and thorough in how he communicated. And if it's not clearly ri...
by Philip
Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:19 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Top Ten Reasons I'm An Atheist
Replies: 298
Views: 7150

Re: Top Ten Reasons I'm An Atheist

No Ken, you dismiss God because He seems unproven to you as "supposedly" existing in the unprovable spiritual realm. And yet, you speculate intelligence and consciousness must somehow have had its origins in something that pre-existed living beings. And yet, these things (consciousness and intellige...
by Philip
Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:49 pm
Forum: Christian Chit-chat
Topic: Women in church
Replies: 85
Views: 1084

Re: Women in church

Are we to believe the list of qualifications for pastors and elders, which notes only men and only uses masculine pronouns, isn't definitive? A mistake? An oversight? Paul rendered only his personal and biased preferences? And never subsequently changed or modified? Paul was giving key instructions ...
by Philip
Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:24 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Top Ten Reasons I'm An Atheist
Replies: 298
Views: 7150

Re: Top Ten Reasons I'm An Atheist

Ken: Science does not claim a point in history when no material existed. Science goes back to the a Singularity and that singularity was material and energy, so your claim that all material and energy had a beginning is pure speculation on your part; not backed up by science. Ken, this is where you...
by Philip
Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:49 am
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Top Ten Reasons I'm An Atheist
Replies: 298
Views: 7150

Re: Top Ten Reasons I'm An Atheist

Ken: I do not have answers to these questions you guys are asking, all I am doing is speculating, and considering what sounds reasonable/possible. Christians reason that a universe of great sophistication and immense complexity cannot create itself, happen to produce just the right and entirely nec...
by Philip
Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:36 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Top Ten Reasons I'm An Atheist
Replies: 298
Views: 7150

Re: Top Ten Reasons I'm An Atheist

Ken, you have redundantly been told the reasons why I believe in God. You, however, assert a belief about the material - and I merely asked you for the reasons behind it, because it appears to line up with nothing I've previously come across. Your response is an obvious dodge. Now, you are free to n...
by Philip
Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:26 pm
Forum: Christian Theology
Topic: Look at this strange Book of Jashar!
Replies: 30
Views: 282

Re: Look at this strange Book of Jashar!

Why post it?
by Philip
Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:51 am
Forum: Christian Chit-chat
Topic: Women in church
Replies: 85
Views: 1084

Re: Women in church

K: So then, if Phil is saying that a woman shouldn't have authority over men in a church, I'd agree -- because I do one better than that and say neither should a man have such authority if it is defined as "having power over." OK, I was going to drop my input - don't want to argue. But merely doubl...
by Philip
Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:18 am
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Top Ten Reasons I'm An Atheist
Replies: 298
Views: 7150

Re: Top Ten Reasons I'm An Atheist

Ken: How do you know they weren't a part of the Singularity that expanded in what is known as the Big Bang? Please tell me that you don't think material beings existed pre-Big Bang? Or from the beginning to even billions of years later before conditions could have supported the first early earth li...
by Philip
Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:09 pm
Forum: Questioning Non-belief
Topic: Top Ten Reasons I'm An Atheist
Replies: 298
Views: 7150

Re: Top Ten Reasons I'm An Atheist

Ken: What I'm saying is consciousness and intelligence are not actual things by themselves, they are just labels we give to things that do exist by themselves. Does this make any sense? I'm not sure your point. Because although consciousness and intelligence aren't physical things - like an arm or ...