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by Butterfly
Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:14 pm
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible
Replies: 166
Views: 29980

Re: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible

On one hand you say that you don't believe the Bible supports gender bias, but then on the other hand you say that men have an "inherent" authority. To have an inherent authority men either must be born with it, or given it by God. Which is it? The Bible appears to say that God gave men rulership o...
by Butterfly
Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:15 pm
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible
Replies: 166
Views: 29980

Re: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible

No, I do not presume that ritual cleansing is a bad thing. My point is that the ritual purification and cleansing for childbirth is GENDER BIASED, because different lengths of time apply if the baby is female versus male. Please elaborate on how is NOT biased. That is a loaded question, because, as...
by Butterfly
Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:41 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 117010

Re: Morality Without God?

Many of us on this forum, we do feel quite sorry for you both. You both do not know, nor understand the real truth of the gospel, or God at all, but have been, well, brained washed; how, by involvement with Christian Science (CS), Word of Faith (WoF), and liberal theology, and wherever these have l...
by Butterfly
Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:20 pm
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible
Replies: 166
Views: 29980

Re: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible

My worldview is that all people should be afforded equal human rights to make the best choice for their lives, not to be told that they must submit to the "inherent" authority of a man. Why? Probably for the same reason you would not want to be told to submit to a woman, for the sole reason of her ...
by Butterfly
Fri Oct 19, 2012 1:14 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 117010

Re: Morality Without God?

I would choose to give the murderer a life sentence. Taking a life does not bring back the life of the victim, so if perchance the murderer can in someway do something with his life that could benefit humanity no matter how small, I would choose that. A life for a life benefits no one. So you would...
by Butterfly
Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:42 pm
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible
Replies: 166
Views: 29980

Re: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible

Before I go into the direct response to Butter's comments, i think this is important to point out. Gender bias exists and has been a problem in many societies. There are cultures that oppress women. I want to make it clear that I strongly oppose this behavior. And I want to make it equally clear th...
by Butterfly
Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:51 am
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible
Replies: 166
Views: 29980

Re: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible

Hebrews 8:13, " In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. " NKJV Again you cite OT Law as still in place for today. When Lev 12:1-8 was written, it was written during an ancient time. Please note, there ...
by Butterfly
Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:50 am
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 117010

Re: Morality Without God?

You forgot to add Beanybag to your list, he say he's an atheist. So, I gather it's okay for you to preach at others, but you don't like to be challenged. There are many people here all with different ideas. Apart from Beany, we have pierson, Ivellious and Sandy too(I hope that's right :mrgreen: ) P...
by Butterfly
Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:50 am
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible
Replies: 166
Views: 29980

Re: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible

I have made a case for male bias of the Bible that originates with its god, these are the facts I have presented and so far they still stand as valid. If you keep saying it enough times, perhaps one day it will stick. I'm not sure how to take your statement? Could you elaborate? :mrgreen: - y@};-
by Butterfly
Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:28 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 117010

Re: Morality Without God?

Butterfly, what would you do with a brutal sexual pedophilia murderer? Would you grant them the Death Penalty or a Life Sentence? Remember that, according to you, Spock, BryanH, that Human Derived GR is morally superior in all things. It is based upon a – Doing unto to others as you would have them...
by Butterfly
Thu Oct 18, 2012 6:54 pm
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible
Replies: 166
Views: 29980

Re: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible

No you can't use the same argument comparing humans with other animals, you can try and construct a different argument, but you can't use my argument of "bias based on gender alone". Butter, FWIW, I disagree with Daniel. I believe the distinctions and authority given to man were not simply because ...
by Butterfly
Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:14 am
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible
Replies: 166
Views: 29980

Re: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Sorry, that won't work. :shakehead: I draw from the Bible and use it in context. Really? You mean like projecting modern day social norms back onto a society from 2 millennia ago? That context? Ok, gotcha! :shakehead: I'm not projecting anything. I'm cal...
by Butterfly
Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:26 am
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 117010

Re: Morality Without God?

Plus as Spock said, just because the Bible says something, doesn't make it right, right? :ewink: Infact I am going to challenge you on this. If I can not use the Bible as truth , and proof and evidence that what is says is true, then you can not use the Bible as well for the same reasons, you are d...
by Butterfly
Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:47 am
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible
Replies: 166
Views: 29980

Re: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible

Danieltwotwenty wrote:Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Sorry, that won't work. :shakehead: I draw from the Bible and use it in context.
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y@};-
by Butterfly
Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:22 pm
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible
Replies: 166
Views: 29980

Re: Common Agnostic and Atheist Objection to the Bible

It is the same because it is not founded with fact, the fact is God was working with a people that were gender biased, God accommodated their bias so that he could bring about his ultimate plan for salvation without affecting freewill. If I use your method of Identifying bias I can apply that to an...