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by Icthus
Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:27 am
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 87879

Re: Morality Without God?

Well, it doesn't help me to just say that philosophers don't take it seriously. Can you give me a link to support your assertion? My brother is a tenured professor of philosophy at a Christian college and I discuss these things with him frequently. We discussed that article and he challenged some p...
by Icthus
Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:41 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 87879

Re: Morality Without God?

Do you agree with his first principle of self-love? Do all rational beings desire the best for themselves? The answer is no. Not all rational beings desire what is best for themselves. They desire what they desire. A perfectly rational person might say, "I would rather be famous than live a long li...
by Icthus
Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:42 pm
Forum: General Discussion & Introductions
Topic: Please Introduce Yourself Here
Replies: 2263
Views: 398005

Re: Please Introduce Yourself Here

Quite a moving personal story, Gummi. God bless.
by Icthus
Tue Oct 02, 2012 5:38 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 87879

Re: Morality Without God?

I am re-posting this link to an article titled An Atheistic Foundation for Objective Morality . As of yet it stands unrefuted. Unrefuted? That article is laughable. The author, for instance, handwaves the possibility of some psychopath enjoying ill treatment as being irrational without even conside...
by Icthus
Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:59 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 87879

Re: Morality Without God?

I think you've missed the point again. I have established the fact that universally people do not like bad things done to them, so while that may be subjective to all humans, it becomes an objective fact that universally applies to all humans. Morals are based on the Golden Rule which is again comm...
by Icthus
Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:23 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 87879

Re: Morality Without God?

There is no objective standard outside of the human experience to define good and bad. The Muslims have their Koran, the Christians have their Bible, the Hindus have their Vedas...who's to say which is right? Unfortunately, most of us here believe that there is an objective standard outside of the ...
by Icthus
Mon Oct 01, 2012 2:00 pm
Forum: God and Science
Topic: Science and Creation
Replies: 67
Views: 11770

Re: Science and Creation

I think part of what Neige is trying to get across is that there are some respects in which the statement "we don't know yet" doesn't really apply. Saying, for instance, that a universe cannot arise naturally out of pure nonbeing is not something at all likely to be contradicted by future discovery,...
by Icthus
Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:52 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 87879

Re: Morality Without God?

My point is that morality has everything to do with human existence, and nothing to do with whether or not God exists. Morality does not exist unless self-aware humans exist, regardless of God's existence. If one looks at the universe up until the point of human existence, no such object called "mo...
by Icthus
Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:10 am
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Absolute Reality
Replies: 30
Views: 7827

Re: Absolute Reality

Does the reality of death change? Yes... Look at how much medicine has progressed. But let's go for a clear example: A man has rabies. 1) 150 years ago he would die. (no vaccine) 2) Today he lives. Can we become immortal? Of course... Just give it a little time. Right now, even if we would have the...
by Icthus
Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:06 am
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 87879

Re: Morality Without God?

Um, did you happen to read the previous discussion before making this post? I don't want to sound rude, but the topic focuses mainly on the arguments from evil many atheists make about God's supposedly immoral behavior and how they often seem to assume either that God as portrayed in the Bible is e...
by Icthus
Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:16 pm
Forum: Philosophical Discussions
Topic: Morality Without God?
Replies: 650
Views: 87879

Re: Morality Without God?

Addressing the question of the title of this thread, “Morality without God?”, I find it quite easy to trace out the origins of morality without the need of a divine source. Once consciousness arose in animals the next step was self-consciousness, the state of being aware of oneself...from the point...
by Icthus
Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:38 pm
Forum: The Bible and Scripture
Topic: New papyrus found
Replies: 11
Views: 2019

Re: New papyrus found

If I recall correctly, Karen King, the Harvard professor whose name appears in the linked article, distinctly stated that this find sheds no light on the historical Jesus. It is certainly an interesting find (the type the media really likes to spread around), but I don't think anyone is going to tak...
by Icthus
Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:04 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Jesus
Replies: 61
Views: 9784

Re: Jesus

Do you have a point with those videos? By the way, the views expressed on those "banned from the bible" clips have been debated over and over and I am still surprise that ANY still subscribes to them. The gnostics got left behind simply because they were wrong in their view of Christ and were never...
by Icthus
Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:05 am
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: Jesus
Replies: 61
Views: 9784

Re: Jesus

You are actually using a tired and intellectually bankrupt argument that is used by most militant atheists. If your comparing Jesus to the easter bunny then you really are ignorant about the historicity of Jesus Christ and Christianity alltogether. Trust me, this isnt the first time I heard such a ...
by Icthus
Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:48 pm
Forum: Questions for Christians
Topic: BIBLE: Literally or Not
Replies: 71
Views: 11412

Re: BIBLE: Literally or Not

How does one know what parts of the Bible to take literally? Thanks, Jordan Examples: The Earth being 6,000 years old. Few others: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html The Bible, as Rick has pointed out, does not claim that the Earth is 6,000 years old. I would avoid getting informat...